Chronic Thoracic Pain

Posted by turkey00 @turkey00, Nov 7, 2023

I have thoracic spine and into the muscles/ribs, right side only. I have been seeking every alternative over the last 20 years and no luck with anything. I've done every injection, MRI's, all the alternative stuff. They says its not fibromyalgia, lupus, lymes disease, or autoimmune. I have tried lots of different meds to no avail. I can do a muscle relaxer, ibuprofen and narcotic. I went as far as a spinal chord stimulator with no luck there. I still have it, but it doesn't help. I feel its really muscle related. The pain interferes with my daily life and gets me very depressed somedays...

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@lizziel1

I have no idea, insurance maybe? They always want to go the physical therapy route which just makes things worse for me as I have Fibromyalgia and Ehlers Danlos syndrome.
I have noticed after I turned 60, that doctors don’t seem to care. They chalk everything up to getting old. Unless you are dying, their attitude is to deal with it.

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i will add that if the disc is compromised by arthritic deterioration, some docs are slow to operate because of a high probability it will recur. That deterioration tends to leave sharp places that can press on the nerve root. But if the bone isn’t all jagged they can trim that bulging disc to retract off the nerve root.

All that said, “radiculopathy” can imply a myriad of reasons a nerve root is getting leaned on. Some you can relieve, others are less likely.

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@pb50

i will add that if the disc is compromised by arthritic deterioration, some docs are slow to operate because of a high probability it will recur. That deterioration tends to leave sharp places that can press on the nerve root. But if the bone isn’t all jagged they can trim that bulging disc to retract off the nerve root.

All that said, “radiculopathy” can imply a myriad of reasons a nerve root is getting leaned on. Some you can relieve, others are less likely.

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Yes, I have bone spurs where the nerve roots come out if the spinal cord.

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@lizziel1

Yes, I have bone spurs where the nerve roots come out if the spinal cord.

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Hmmm. Surgeons aren’t fond of that scenario.

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Dorsal scapular nerve compression or damage can cause all those symptoms. Repetetive movements, overhead work or stooping can trigger it, as can over stretching. Mine was dismissed by docs too. I finally found a PT on YouTube who was demonstrating exercises for it and they helped a lot.

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@pam6426

I too have chronic thoracic pain. I have degenerative disc disease and have had a cervical fusion and lumbar fusion which have helped. My chronic pain doctor has given me multiple injections of steroids and pain medication. He has done ablations on various areas of my back. This consists of burning the ends of nerves that are irritating my back. It is a simple procedure done in the OR under very mild sedation, just enough to relax the muscles. I am discharged to home shortly after that. This procedure has allowed me to decrease or sometimes eliminate the need for options. I just take arthritis strength Tylenol and occasional muscle relaxer. I cannot take nsaids due to chronic kidney disease stage 3. I still occasionally have some pain in the thoracic area but much less in intensity and frequency.

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Can you comment on the ablations please? Like was it discussed what makes a person a good candidate for them? And does the procedure last or does it need to be repeated? If so, what causes the ablations to stop working? Like a further injury or scar tissue, etc?

My pain mgmt guy tells me after the shots, ablation is next, that's about it.

Thank you for your help.

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@woojr

I just caught up your comments. I'm considering nerve ablation. I've been having shots that don't do much and the pain doc is saying because I reacted well to the numbing shots before the cortisone, I'm a good candidate for the ablation. Has the ablation been good? Anything you can say what makes a good candidate? I'm going on four years post spine surgery with rods and instrumentation halfway up my back. Pain is worse than before the surgery. Taking 20 to 40 mg's Oxycodone a day and sitting with heating pad a lot. Thank you

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Hi, first I want to say that I am so sorry you are in this kind of pain. My ablation was done about 6-7 yrs ago and I m still doing well, in that area anyway that is. Not sure what makes someone a good candidate buy but as your Dr thinks after the numbing shots than that’s a good indication that you should do well. I am hoping after the procedure you will be up and about more, maybe less pain pills too. I am on hydrocodone 7.5 4 or 4.5 a day. Good luck and let us know.

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Thank you, just the fact you feel it's helping after all this time is a positive for the procedure.

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@christine5

I feel your pain, I too have gone to the er w pain, they always say that I have a stable dissection. (Ascending, decending 2012). They always want to blame it on that. They never look for anything else. Then I get the look like I'm drug seeking!!!! I have an incredibly slow gut and that causes a lot of pain. But no one wants to address it. Your gut can spasm terribly. I also had redundant colon for which I had surgery. Just keep pushing these doctors to find out what's wrong.
They like to dismiss people. Good luck

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@christine5 I suggest you get with whom ever is treating you for your “slow gut” and your dissections to provide you with a treatment plan written on their letter head with instructions to the ER. This should be your best approach instead of depending on the ER for answers. This provides the ER treating doctors with answers to questions they may have concerning your illness’s and their treatment. They can call the doctor(s) for answers if they still have more unanswered questions. But considering that you have a history of a potentially life ending illness and ER’s look for an immediate threat to life and limb which is their job, you cannot blame them for going down that pathway initially. If you feel it’s your slow gut then having a treatment plan from your GI doc would be most imperative but you may still encounter push back from an ER doc out of concern.

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@jenatsky

@christine5 I suggest you get with whom ever is treating you for your “slow gut” and your dissections to provide you with a treatment plan written on their letter head with instructions to the ER. This should be your best approach instead of depending on the ER for answers. This provides the ER treating doctors with answers to questions they may have concerning your illness’s and their treatment. They can call the doctor(s) for answers if they still have more unanswered questions. But considering that you have a history of a potentially life ending illness and ER’s look for an immediate threat to life and limb which is their job, you cannot blame them for going down that pathway initially. If you feel it’s your slow gut then having a treatment plan from your GI doc would be most imperative but you may still encounter push back from an ER doc out of concern.

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You are, absolutely, correct. I will get that taken care of, it's a really great idea, thank you

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@lizziel1

I have thoracic back pain on my left side about bra level. It sometimes wraps around to my front ribs. It’s aggravated by using my arms… washing dishes, hanging clothes, washing my hair etc. it has left me unable to do much of anything, because it is excruciating.
I know exactly what causes it. I have pinched nerves in that area due to Radiculopathy.
I already go to a pain clinic for chronic pain for other conditions. They have tried injections, and that’s it. Last time they told me to go to an acupuncturist. 🤔
I’ve gotten no help with disabling condition. It’s seriously impacting my quality of life!

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I have something similar but I think mine is a spasm instead of a knot when I twist around to either side - As in when I am trying to reach something behind the seat I’m sitting in. It really hurts and takes my breath away. I have to wait for it to pass. But it always does.

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