Chronic severe nocturnal hypnic headaches
I am looking for anyone else who has been diagnosed and treated for chronic, severe nocturnal hypnic headaches. I have had them for about 12 years, and on treatment, but not optimal treatment. I am interested in hearing how others with this rare diagnosis are being told to treat them safely.
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@patiencepie I did not have hypnic headaches but I did have very severe migraines that lasted 3 days, occasionally four, once or twice a month, coinciding with ovulation and menstruation. As with you, the pain was excruciating. I too was desperate. Back then we didn't have the internet (my migraines finally stopped about 15 years ago, so I researched everywhere I could -- the library, reading books in bookstores, everything. I read somewhere that most migraine sufferers know more about them than most doctors do, unless the doctor is a real specialist, and I believe it.
One of the things I remember reading about is rebound headaches. Is it possible that the medications you are taking could be causing them? Your body gets so adjusted to the medications that when they wear off it all starts all over again, if I recall correctly, and it sounds as if that's what's happening to you.
I hope you can find a real specialist, a doctor who knows the absolute most about these headaches. I was fortunate that mine were never more than two times a month, but even that made my life miserable, it was impossible to plan ahead for anything. I did have some lesser, more manageable, headaches in between the migraines, more like minor migraines, brought on by certain foods. The two worst foods were raw onions and chocolate. I could eat white chocolate but not regular.
I will be thinking of you and hoping for you to find relief from your pain. My daughter goes through this now with migraines but often the current medications can give her some help although they do not seem to totally take the pain away, there is a lingering lesser pain. When she is going through one she often calls me, knowing I can sympathize and of course I feel terrible when she does, knowing exactly what she is feeling.
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3 ReactionsHi, @patiencepie - I can see the extreme pain with the hypnic headaches you are experiencing throughout your words about it. I hear that this quality of life is not sustainable for you.
Hoping members in this discussion here like @leamm @so4tune8 @bernese53 @taterjoy @kdubois and @dawn_giacabazi will return and offer some insights on your situation with the horrible pain and then the medications destroying your waking life.
Have you gotten to talk to your neurologist at your regional headache clinic in the last couple days about how excruciating your pain is, how your waking life is affected and how the reality of life dominated by pain is not seeming doable for you?
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2 ReactionsI’m in bed right now awake at 3:45 am waiting for a horrible hypnic headache to pass. The pain is extreme and I know everyone here understands completely. I have taken my caffeine and am waiting patiently and trying not to cry. This has been happening now every single night for weeks and each week the pain ratchets up a notch. The neurologists at my regional Headache Clinic confirm that this is hypnic headache although sometimes a migraine piggybacks on it. While caffeine and Imitrex eventually help, taking them every night has destroyed my waking life too since after taking caffeine I’m wide awake and grinding my teeth for the next four hours. This cycle happens every single day. Excruciating pain followed by upset stomach ,
drowsiness and depression. If this is my new normal then it’s time to research suicide because this quality of life is not sustainable for me. I’ll obviously think hard and consult a psychiatric specialist before taking any kind of action but if this severe daily pain is a permanent condition I don’t want to grind on for decades. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have this unbearable pain and also suffer from dementia. It could explain the patients screaming in nursing homes. Perhaps they are in the middle of a horrific migraine and no one knows or cares. I watched my beautiful mother—a triathlete who developed Alzheimer’s — weeping and thrashing in her bed, unable to speak and clearly suffering. The nursing staff couldn’t figure out what she was experiencing so just gave her Ambien. But what if it was acute migraine? Please god no one should suffer like that. Being trapped in this pain with no hope or help is my deepest fear. Doctors are sympathetic but in the end they DON’T know how you feel and can go home and forget about you. Which of course they do. It’s human nature. I’m realizing that ultimately the reality of a life dominated by pain will not be sustainable for me. Lots to think about.
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1 ReactionYou’re describing my life Gussie. I’m so sorry for you and so depressed for us both. I don’t think I can live with this pain for years. Every night is torture.
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2 ReactionsHello. I’m new here and have been taking in the great conversations of this sight. But on this subject I had to reply. Migraines were a continual fact of my life. I have tried so many of the therapies mentioned on this thread. Some of the triptans were somewhat helpful but never totally successful. I had a course of Sphenopalatine Ganglion Blocks, Botox, but nothing worked. Somehow they eventually turned into “alarm clock” (hypnic) headaches. I was prescribed Verapamil but this caused heart issues.
I then moved to Atlanta and started going to Emory. I found a solution. They gave me a “Greater Occipital Nerve Block”. This isn’t a cure but a relief. I received 2 shots in the back of my neck where the Occipital nerves begin and spread across the brain. I HAVE NOT HAD A HEADACHE SINCE!!
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1 ReactionHi, @taterjoy -- thinking of you and wondering how it's going with the nocturnal hypnic headaches?
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1 ReactionI too suffer from hypnic headaches, self diagnosed. I first experienced these headaches at 44 and am now 56. My experiences are similar to others on this board, so to cut to the quick, I should have stock in generic caffeine pills! I take 100 mg a night and for most nights experience no pain. However, I may wake about 2:00 with a slight headache, take another 50 mg (as best estimated due to cutting pills), and sleep sound after that. Any morning that I do wake with a headache, it is mild compared to my pre-caffeine days. I have also found I can eliminate any remaining pain with a run.
I read a white paper by a researcher in Brazil who thinks there is a connection between hypnic headaches and too much adenosine being produced by the body. Considering how quickly I fall asleep at night, I find this plausible. Adenosine is a sleep hormone and too much of it apparently can cause blood vessels to dilate, causing the pain. Caffeine fits the same receptors as the adenosine and thus blocks the adenosine. Either way, there is much work to be done and I would participate in research trials if something were close to Michigan.
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3 ReactionsPlease do let us know how the caffeine pills work for the hypnic headache, @gussie.
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1 ReactionI do notice when I take one Excedrin Tension headache pill before bed I still get the headache but it does seem to be not as intense. The pill has some caffeine in it so that may be the reason. I just bought some caffeine pills and haven't started them yet, but anxious to see if they help. Will keep you posted.
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2 ReactionsI live in the San Francisco bay area and am wondering if CBD oil would help. It's legal here. I won't try anything with THC in it because I overreact to most drugs. I went to a "migraine specialist" in San Francisco for thirty years and while I had what I call my regular migraines, he also diagnosed me with my hypnic headaches. He fired me as a patient last year because I was his only private pay patient. All his practice entails now is doing testing for drug companies for different diseases. I have yet to find a neurologist in the Bay Area. In reading Hypnic headaches it says they are self regulating. That they last a number of hours. Mine just gets worse and worse until I'm vomiting and have to go to the ER. They started about 12 years ago when I was 65. I take an awful lot of Imitrex and if that doesn't help, Fioracet with Codiene. I haven't slept through the night in all these years without the pain waking me up between about 3 and 4. It always starts in the back of my head to the point that just touching the back of my head to anything hurts. Sometimes if my husband massages the back of my head where the pain is it relieves the pain. If I catch it before it really gets bad. I would love to try and drink a couple of cups of coffee before bed except I have IBS and coffee isn't the greatest thing for tummy issues. Also I wouldn't sleep at all. I do know after all these years with headaches if I drink chai tea (my drink of choice) the caffeine does help. Maybe I'll try the caffeine pills.
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