Chronic severe nocturnal hypnic headaches

Posted by taterjoy @taterjoy, Aug 29, 2016

I am looking for anyone else who has been diagnosed and treated for chronic, severe nocturnal hypnic headaches. I have had them for about 12 years, and on treatment, but not optimal treatment. I am interested in hearing how others with this rare diagnosis are being told to treat them safely.

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@patiencepie I did not have hypnic headaches but I did have very severe migraines that lasted 3 days, occasionally four, once or twice a month, coinciding with ovulation and menstruation. As with you, the pain was excruciating. I too was desperate. Back then we didn't have the internet (my migraines finally stopped about 15 years ago, so I researched everywhere I could -- the library, reading books in bookstores, everything. I read somewhere that most migraine sufferers know more about them than most doctors do, unless the doctor is a real specialist, and I believe it.

One of the things I remember reading about is rebound headaches. Is it possible that the medications you are taking could be causing them? Your body gets so adjusted to the medications that when they wear off it all starts all over again, if I recall correctly, and it sounds as if that's what's happening to you.
I hope you can find a real specialist, a doctor who knows the absolute most about these headaches. I was fortunate that mine were never more than two times a month, but even that made my life miserable, it was impossible to plan ahead for anything. I did have some lesser, more manageable, headaches in between the migraines, more like minor migraines, brought on by certain foods. The two worst foods were raw onions and chocolate. I could eat white chocolate but not regular.

I will be thinking of you and hoping for you to find relief from your pain. My daughter goes through this now with migraines but often the current medications can give her some help although they do not seem to totally take the pain away, there is a lingering lesser pain. When she is going through one she often calls me, knowing I can sympathize and of course I feel terrible when she does, knowing exactly what she is feeling.
JK

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I’m in bed right now awake at 3:45 am waiting for a horrible hypnic headache to pass. The pain is extreme and I know everyone here understands completely. I have taken my caffeine and am waiting patiently and trying not to cry. This has been happening now every single night for weeks and each week the pain ratchets up a notch. The neurologists at my regional Headache Clinic confirm that this is hypnic headache although sometimes a migraine piggybacks on it. While caffeine and Imitrex eventually help, taking them every night has destroyed my waking life too since after taking caffeine I’m wide awake and grinding my teeth for the next four hours. This cycle happens every single day. Excruciating pain followed by upset stomach ,
drowsiness and depression. If this is my new normal then it’s time to research suicide because this quality of life is not sustainable for me. I’ll obviously think hard and consult a psychiatric specialist before taking any kind of action but if this severe daily pain is a permanent condition I don’t want to grind on for decades. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have this unbearable pain and also suffer from dementia. It could explain the patients screaming in nursing homes. Perhaps they are in the middle of a horrific migraine and no one knows or cares. I watched my beautiful mother—a triathlete who developed Alzheimer’s — weeping and thrashing in her bed, unable to speak and clearly suffering. The nursing staff couldn’t figure out what she was experiencing so just gave her Ambien. But what if it was acute migraine? Please god no one should suffer like that. Being trapped in this pain with no hope or help is my deepest fear. Doctors are sympathetic but in the end they DON’T know how you feel and can go home and forget about you. Which of course they do. It’s human nature. I’m realizing that ultimately the reality of a life dominated by pain will not be sustainable for me. Lots to think about.

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Hi, @patiencepie - I can see the extreme pain with the hypnic headaches you are experiencing throughout your words about it. I hear that this quality of life is not sustainable for you.

Hoping members in this discussion here like @leamm @so4tune8 @bernese53 @taterjoy @kdubois and @dawn_giacabazi will return and offer some insights on your situation with the horrible pain and then the medications destroying your waking life.

Have you gotten to talk to your neurologist at your regional headache clinic in the last couple days about how excruciating your pain is, how your waking life is affected and how the reality of life dominated by pain is not seeming doable for you?

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Hi Cheryl!

If you google "hypnic headaches" and read many of the summary articles by research physicians, you might see case reports of people not being able to lie down with them, since lying down can make the pain severe. That is my case also. Once awakened by them, I bolt out of bed and pace for hours upright. Before I used preventatives, I would become exhausted (usually about 3 hours of pacing, when no acute meds were helping). I would then sit on the floor with my back pushed tight (upright) against the wall. Sleeping on a propped wedge did not help me, but your idea of nearing standing while sleeping is amazing! and Clever!

I am so glad you are getting relief from caffeine. I met a Vietnam Veteran who had terrible headaches, and his only help was to drink coffee on and off all day. The VA system did not diagnose his headaches as hypnic, and offered little treatment; but he figured out that he felt better walking all day, rarely sitting or lying down. Very sad.

I do hope that caffeine continues to help prevent your headaches, and that your siblings will also get some much needed assessment and treatment options. The literature on migraines sadly relays that undertreated migraine can lead to stroke, and also to brain lesions. I do believe my own hypnic headaches stem from brain trauma due to under-treatment of migraines, for years. Every case may be different. I'm so hopeful that research on Hypnic headaches and Migraines will lead to more effective, well-tolerated treatments that are not terribly expensive.

Thank you for your well-wishes! I have not met another person that has hypnic headaches, and though we are not positive that yours are, it is really wonderful to connect with you and hear about your creative solutions to treatment! If I find other solutions, I will let you know. I am now taking a class in Qi Dong and finding it very relaxing--it's a bit like Tai Chi, but more about the breathing and healing component. Time will tell!

Taterjoy

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I’m in bed right now awake at 3:45 am waiting for a horrible hypnic headache to pass. The pain is extreme and I know everyone here understands completely. I have taken my caffeine and am waiting patiently and trying not to cry. This has been happening now every single night for weeks and each week the pain ratchets up a notch. The neurologists at my regional Headache Clinic confirm that this is hypnic headache although sometimes a migraine piggybacks on it. While caffeine and Imitrex eventually help, taking them every night has destroyed my waking life too since after taking caffeine I’m wide awake and grinding my teeth for the next four hours. This cycle happens every single day. Excruciating pain followed by upset stomach ,
drowsiness and depression. If this is my new normal then it’s time to research suicide because this quality of life is not sustainable for me. I’ll obviously think hard and consult a psychiatric specialist before taking any kind of action but if this severe daily pain is a permanent condition I don’t want to grind on for decades. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have this unbearable pain and also suffer from dementia. It could explain the patients screaming in nursing homes. Perhaps they are in the middle of a horrific migraine and no one knows or cares. I watched my beautiful mother—a triathlete who developed Alzheimer’s — weeping and thrashing in her bed, unable to speak and clearly suffering. The nursing staff couldn’t figure out what she was experiencing so just gave her Ambien. But what if it was acute migraine? Please god no one should suffer like that. Being trapped in this pain with no hope or help is my deepest fear. Doctors are sympathetic but in the end they DON’T know how you feel and can go home and forget about you. Which of course they do. It’s human nature. I’m realizing that ultimately the reality of a life dominated by pain will not be sustainable for me. Lots to think about.

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I am 76 and have had nocturnal headaches for about 12 years. I was one of those people that had migraines starting from my late twenties until I went through menopause. Most of those have stopped unless I'm around strong odors or don't eat on time or drink alcohol. They run in my family. My poor grandson has them now. They were always the same. In my right eye only. Never got nauseated just had to go to bed and suffer until Imitrex came on the scene. Then in 2006 I started waking up with a different headache. Starting at the base of my head and moving like a rams horn to the sides. It woke me up every night at about 4 am. It would get so bad that I would vomit and ended up in the ER on IV dilauded (the drug from hell). The first year I landed in the ER ten times. The was after taking Imitrex and fioraset with codiene. I had been a patient of Dr. Goldstein in San Francisco for many years and he is the first one to mention hypnic headaches. He switched his practice from migraine clinic to testing many illnesses for the drug companies. He really never listened anyway and spends very little time with his patients. I did see other neurologists in the bay area and after just one visit describing the symptoms was told you have hypnic headache. Not until I started reading the letters on this site did I realize that the pain can be so bad. All the other literature I had read said it lasted from 30 minutes to a few hours. Since my pain gets worse and worse and is not self-ending I didn't think I had this. So I have been coping with this by getting up and taking Imitrex almost every night. I also was diagnosed around the same time with a rare condition called CVID. (boy in the bubble disease). The same disease, but not as bad. He had no immune system at all. Part of my immune system doesn't work. So I use the plasma of other peoples antibodies to protect me from infections and viruses because we don't make antibodies from vaccines. I orginally thought maybe the two things were connected somehow. I also thought it might be from something wrong with my neck since it started from the back of my head. I had PT, lidocaine injections and botox injections but really didn't help either. I don't think I have slept through the night in all these years. I also have IBS, which is part of my immune system problems so its taking drugs is always very hard on my stomach. I know this is long, so thank you for letting me vent. It's always helpful when you know you're not alone.
Also finding a neurologist in this area isn't easy.

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You’re describing my life Gussie. I’m so sorry for you and so depressed for us both. I don’t think I can live with this pain for years. Every night is torture.

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Hello. I’m new here and have been taking in the great conversations of this sight. But on this subject I had to reply. Migraines were a continual fact of my life. I have tried so many of the therapies mentioned on this thread. Some of the triptans were somewhat helpful but never totally successful. I had a course of Sphenopalatine Ganglion Blocks, Botox, but nothing worked. Somehow they eventually turned into “alarm clock” (hypnic) headaches. I was prescribed Verapamil but this caused heart issues.
I then moved to Atlanta and started going to Emory. I found a solution. They gave me a “Greater Occipital Nerve Block”. This isn’t a cure but a relief. I received 2 shots in the back of my neck where the Occipital nerves begin and spread across the brain. I HAVE NOT HAD A HEADACHE SINCE!!

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@lisalucier I thought I responded to your post long ago but I guess I did not...I'm sorry! Things that improve my overall health have also helped reduce the frequency and/or intensity of headaches to a certain extent. They include eating smaller meals more frequently to keep sugar levels from roller-coasting; "breathing meditation" and Tai Chi; regular cardiovascular exercise and keeping my weight under control so as not to provide Polycystic ovarian disorder symptoms and resultant hormonal fluctuations. Specifically for headache prevention or to use during headaches: wearing wrap-around style dark "wear over glasses" sunglasses to avoid sun and glare; avoiding movie theaters (flicker, glare, and loud noise); black out curtains in our home to keep temperature levels from fluctuating, keep glare to a minimum, and to facilitate sounder sleep (helps melatonin); avoiding MSG, nitrates, nitrites and any food that are out of date or "old" in the frig; staying hydrated; drinking coffee at onset of migraine, and at PM, as a component in preventing hypnic headache); dressing in layers so that controlling body temp is easier. I try to avoid avoid being around cigarette smoke and smoky air due to fires, campfires, and barbeque grills. Many of my friends LOVE Scented Candle parties, and I run in the opposite direction! I avoid Elevators (too much perfume or smoke-smell) and take stairs when possible. I've tried many different types of pillows, bedding fabrics, body soap, and laundry detergents over the years, always suspecting SOMETHING was triggering my headaches; none of those seems to have an impact though I usually avoiding highly scented products.

I kept diaries on and off and avoided "common" trigger foods for lengthy periods, but hormonal cycles were the only obvious correlation and no foods other than MSG and possibly nitrates/nitrites. I tried many nonRX treatments for recommended trial intervals (CO-Q, feverfew, B vitamins, MegaMagnesium, lavender roller-sticks, massage, acupressure, biofeedback, and probably others) which do help many migraine sufferers, but did not impact mine. I never drank wine or alcohol, so I don't know if they are triggers for me or not.

When in crisis, a scalding hot shower to head and neck can divert my migraine pain until injections kick in. For migraines, sometimes cold packs or putting with ice in my mouth, help divert the head pain temporarily. At one time in my life, being able to go to sleep helped relieved some migraines, but now with Hypnic headaches, it's not an option unless I have taken indomethacin two hours prior. I strive for a "routine" nightly sleep pattern, but that's elusive due to family obligations across time zones. I am in great overall health, despite having very debilitating headache types that sort of trigger one another. Thanks for asking, Lisa!

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Hi, @taterjoy -- thinking of you and wondering how it's going with the nocturnal hypnic headaches?

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I too suffer from hypnic headaches, self diagnosed. I first experienced these headaches at 44 and am now 56. My experiences are similar to others on this board, so to cut to the quick, I should have stock in generic caffeine pills! I take 100 mg a night and for most nights experience no pain. However, I may wake about 2:00 with a slight headache, take another 50 mg (as best estimated due to cutting pills), and sleep sound after that. Any morning that I do wake with a headache, it is mild compared to my pre-caffeine days. I have also found I can eliminate any remaining pain with a run.

I read a white paper by a researcher in Brazil who thinks there is a connection between hypnic headaches and too much adenosine being produced by the body. Considering how quickly I fall asleep at night, I find this plausible. Adenosine is a sleep hormone and too much of it apparently can cause blood vessels to dilate, causing the pain. Caffeine fits the same receptors as the adenosine and thus blocks the adenosine. Either way, there is much work to be done and I would participate in research trials if something were close to Michigan.

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No....you can self-refer. I was in a wheelchair for about two months in early 2016 with severe leg pain. I had an open MRI as well as x-rays but no one here could figure out what was going on....and I live near Philadelphia, PA! I called the main appointment number for Mayo in Rochester, MN. They asked for my x-rays, etc.. I did get an appointment; it took about two months to get it. I was diagnosed with severe degenerative disc disease and will need surgery in the near future but physical therapy and epidural steroid injections really helped.

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Please do let us know how the caffeine pills work for the hypnic headache, @gussie.

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No....you can self-refer. I was in a wheelchair for about two months in early 2016 with severe leg pain. I had an open MRI as well as x-rays but no one here could figure out what was going on....and I live near Philadelphia, PA! I called the main appointment number for Mayo in Rochester, MN. They asked for my x-rays, etc.. I did get an appointment; it took about two months to get it. I was diagnosed with severe degenerative disc disease and will need surgery in the near future but physical therapy and epidural steroid injections really helped.

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I do notice when I take one Excedrin Tension headache pill before bed I still get the headache but it does seem to be not as intense. The pill has some caffeine in it so that may be the reason. I just bought some caffeine pills and haven't started them yet, but anxious to see if they help. Will keep you posted.

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I live in the San Francisco bay area and am wondering if CBD oil would help. It's legal here. I won't try anything with THC in it because I overreact to most drugs. I went to a "migraine specialist" in San Francisco for thirty years and while I had what I call my regular migraines, he also diagnosed me with my hypnic headaches. He fired me as a patient last year because I was his only private pay patient. All his practice entails now is doing testing for drug companies for different diseases. I have yet to find a neurologist in the Bay Area. In reading Hypnic headaches it says they are self regulating. That they last a number of hours. Mine just gets worse and worse until I'm vomiting and have to go to the ER. They started about 12 years ago when I was 65. I take an awful lot of Imitrex and if that doesn't help, Fioracet with Codiene. I haven't slept through the night in all these years without the pain waking me up between about 3 and 4. It always starts in the back of my head to the point that just touching the back of my head to anything hurts. Sometimes if my husband massages the back of my head where the pain is it relieves the pain. If I catch it before it really gets bad. I would love to try and drink a couple of cups of coffee before bed except I have IBS and coffee isn't the greatest thing for tummy issues. Also I wouldn't sleep at all. I do know after all these years with headaches if I drink chai tea (my drink of choice) the caffeine does help. Maybe I'll try the caffeine pills.

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