Bone turnover markers (CTX and P1NP): do you have a baseline?

Posted by mayblin @mayblin, Mar 27, 2024

Currently i am on forteo therapy with a couple bone markers tests done. However, I didnt have ctx or p1np tested before the start of forteo as a baseline, regrettably.

It is known that the CTX value varies greatly among different individuals, with a very wide range. For post menopausal women, the range could be 34 - 1037 pg/ml; while for perimenopausal women 34-635 pg/ml. Different labs also have a slight different range values.

CTX, a bone resorption (breakdown) marker, is heavily influenced by a number of factors, such as food intake, circadian variation and exercise/life style, etc.

Bone remodeling is a dynamic and complex process. CTX itself may not fully reveal the whole picture. The bone building marker P1NP, is a lot less influenced by external factors. Taking both into consideration at the same time may shed more lights than looking at CTX or P1NP alone.

For those who had their CTX and P1NP tested before treatment with a bone drug, could you share the results if you don't mind? Thanks a lot!

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I see. Below is a chart for the percentage changes of P1NP and CTX during 12 month romosozumab (Evenity) treatment, data from its phase 3 study. It looks like the best time to see bone formation marker P1NP surge is during first two months, you might have missed it due to timing, although a concurrent HRT might affect bone markers response.

Curious, has your prescribing physician for HRT discussed various dosage forms for estradiol? Many obgyn prefers transdermal form nowadays due to the benefits of lower risk of blood clots (by bypassing liver’s first passing metabolism) and a more stable hormone level, among others. You might want to ask. From what I read, 1mg oral tablet is approximately equivalent to 0.05mg/day transdermal patches of estradiol.

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My last prescription from my GYN was written on his last day before retirement so I’m still in search of another GYN. My PCP can cover the med portion, if I ask him about it. The only difficult part being is he believes the Estradiol is not beneficial for me, so I’m not sure he would be on board with prescribing any. But in my 25 yrs of being on HRT none my GYN’s or my ND (BHRT) talked about doing a cream. Food for thought though, thank you

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My last prescription from my GYN was written on his last day before retirement so I’m still in search of another GYN. My PCP can cover the med portion, if I ask him about it. The only difficult part being is he believes the Estradiol is not beneficial for me, so I’m not sure he would be on board with prescribing any. But in my 25 yrs of being on HRT none my GYN’s or my ND (BHRT) talked about doing a cream. Food for thought though, thank you

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There are pros and cons for transdermal estradiol (gels, patches or vaginal creams) vs oral tablets, guess each practitioner has his/her own preference.

Please update us with your dxa results if you could when you complete evenity treatment, fingers crossed.

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Both of my numbers went up.
Before Forteo (August '23) they were P1NP: 45.9 and CTX: 444
6 months after started Forteo (April '24) they were P1NP: 220 and CTX: 1293
I am asking here for advice about these results. as I'm not sure either. I should have put in also that I had a compression fracture in spine in March and another in Sept. so that may also have had an effect on the numbers?

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My numbers were very similar to yours! I didn't have a baseline CTX, but my P1NP before Forteo was 32. After 12 months it was 135. Mt CTX after 12 months was 1355! But I didn't know about not exercising before the test. Between that and being on Forteo, my Dr. was not concerned. Hope she's right!

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My numbers were very similar to yours! I didn't have a baseline CTX, but my P1NP before Forteo was 32. After 12 months it was 135. Mt CTX after 12 months was 1355! But I didn't know about not exercising before the test. Between that and being on Forteo, my Dr. was not concerned. Hope she's right!

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@nwyatt, did you get a Dexa scan after 12mo on Forteo?

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@nwyatt, did you get a Dexa scan after 12mo on Forteo?

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No, I have to wait one more year because of insurance coverage.

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No, I have to wait one more year because of insurance coverage.

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Thank you for sharing your experience. Would love to hear how things go for you as you continue - keep us posted!

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The bone markers while on Evenity were spot on to the trials. Below is a snapshot. While CTX is lowered on Evenity, it is not near as low as on Prolia.

Since my T-scores are still very poor, my only choice after Evenity was Prolia. A bisphosphonate would not be able to get me into a safe zone and I really don't think Tymlos or Forteo would work out for me. That said, I am considering combination Prolia + Tymlos. I will wait a year to see how Prolia is doing on its own first.

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Can you say more about tymlos and Prolia taken together. I have not heard of this possibility but would like to know so that I can discuss with my endocrinologist.

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