Bone Coach - How do you know it works?

dooshie, your cardiologist sounds really good. Did he do all the necessary bloodwork and CT Calcium scan?

Yes he did and more. He is very thorough. My first appt, he wanted all tests done to get a baseline of my cardiac condition. He also did a nuclear test that took 5 hours…he pretty much got a good look at my hearts condition. I had had super ventricular tachycardia when I was in my 40’s and had an ablation done, so he wanted to take a good look at where I was. He doesn’t beat around the bush.

dooshie, that's really great. Would it be possible to list the tests he did? If not, that's ok too. I'm happy for you that you found a really good cardiologist.

I'm not vegan but I'd say I'm more whole-foods-plant-based 90% of the time (I do eat salmon occasionally). However, I'm having difficulty getting enough protein from plants. I eat smallish portions so I'm wondering if I should resort to a protein powder. How do you do get enough protein on an vegan diet? Also how much C do you take? That's the one supplement I don't take and even though it's in my multi, I'm sure it's not enough.

Well done! I, too, am refusing medication. My t-score for lumbar is -2.8 but that takes into account the TBS score as well. Without the TBS score, it's -2.5. However I fractured my L3 vertebra in January. So my MD is pushing meds like crazy. I'm not ruling it out but I now have changed my lifestyle drastically in the hopes those numbers get even a tiny bit better. Considering I never ate dairy nor took calcium supplements, I'm hoping that with the required calcium plus the extra D, K, etc plus I'm working with a PT for strength training that I could get my numbers to move a bit.

Unfortunately, those things you mentioned did not help me. Its not a matter of lifestyle so much as no hormones to maintain bones. Some of this is not anything you can control. I had no osteoporosis, my calcium was always perfect on tests, and I have supplemented vitamin D for 10 years. (definitely helped prediabetic condition!) none of this has anything to do with your genetics and bone aging. I walk 2 miles every day, do pt, and test (DEXAS for almost 25 years!).
My bones were paper thin when they opened me up for cervical surgery. Bones fell apart between their fingers... they had to do a second more dramatic surgery thru the backside a couple weeks later. I'm not fracturing like you and others are.

I took nutritional chemistry/health in college and know how nutrition works and digestion. There have been many advances since I went to university 40 years ago but some things are still constant: You can't reach some locations and some metabolic processes and people get sold a butt load of nonsense because they are manipulated by profit/greed in this space.

If you are fracturing -- that is all you need to know. It is no wonder your doctor is pushing these awful meds! 7 women I know fractured/broke bones in falls this spring. None are taking these meds. I will (as best I can). Because it seems the only thing that will counter my deterioration which is genetic in time enough to make a difference. Think again and go slow. I stopped and then returned. Good luck!

How can any physician put you on medication without baseline testing? And how do they evaluate how the meds are doing? Wait an entire year?? Keep shopping for providers that are comprehensive in your care.

BoneCoach testing goes way beyond a basic metabolic panel and CBC along with DEXA, which is where my doctor’s cooperation ended. It’s their (BC) proprietary info and intellectual property, and not for me to share. But I suspect most PCP’s would balk. There is a $2500+ BoneCoach program that may include all that testing. I wasn’t willing to bet that much.

I agree, not everything needed depending on your specific situation and age but markers of bone loss and building are pretty standard.

I was recently diagnosed with Osteopenia/Osteoporosis...depending if you go with the Holologic or GE Lunar analysis. Now that's based on science right? Data collected analyzed and spit out with a BMD/t-score defining your bone health...to a CERTAIN extent. It's one of the things that guy Kevin the Bone Coach talks about. Bone Health with just a Dexa scan doesn't reveal the whole picture as manytimes it doesn't include a TBS (Trabecular Bone Score) which gives a more complete picture adding the element of your bone's micro architecture. He touches on a lot of other components missing in the final analysis he thinks should be considered before treatment.

In general his assessment of most doctors assessment of osteoporosis with patients comes down to: you've been diagnosed with osteopenia or osteoporosis take this medication take these supplements follow these exercise guidelines et cetera.

He's right that most doctors want to use the one solution fits everybody instead of delving more deeply into the causes of bone loss which would require more testing if they're even available, taking time to treat each patient as an individual and getting to know their personal history, circumstances, et cetera. And that seems to apply to just about every other phase of medical treatment right? Doctors are taught a certain protocol and they follow it.

But I still think it is a legitimate criticism if his methods do not include scientific evidence for example before and after treatment proof with dexa scans and trabecular bone scores showing improvement or stability in a certain amount of time is whether it be 3 months half a year or several years.

Seems like most Osteoporosis/Osteopenia patients have to figure things out for themselves and if his approach adds a bit more information to help solve or address the issue, it might be worth a try.

I have started drinking more soy milk something I've really not drank much of before actually nothing. I've also started taking a lot more calcium magnesium vitamin D supplements. And I am exploring the possibility of a PMF whole body mat mainly the Hugo intense which is so freaking expensive like $7000. Anyone else try this Mat with verifiable results improvements with a dexa scan before and after?