Apprehensive, and asking for your advice pre RP

Posted by pjw2 @pjw2, Jan 20 4:18pm

Hello there, in the span of a week I have had a biopsy with positive PC results and scheduling of surgery 8 days from now due to a cancellation. Feeling fortunate in that I am having the surgery in short order… and a little overwhelmed and still trying to absorb the diagnosis and what is yet to come. Telling family members now and tbh haven’t quite had (or made) the time to work this through in my own mind. Asking this wonderful group for their advice on prep for surgery, and what to expect in the immediate weeks subsequent to the surgery. I find myself of all the potential side effects etc being scared of having a catheter in for 14 days and possible incontinence afterwards…. Sure there are bigger picture things to worry about. Range of emotions for sure!!

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@jerrykerkvliet0108
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Ditto to @web265 comment
Also want to wish you the best in your upcoming surgery and recovery. My only advice is do those kegels as recommended by your care team prior to and after your surgery.
I also recommend that you get a few pairs of sweat pants to wear for a couple weeks following surgery. It made me a lot more comfortable and easier to deal with the catheter and bag. The catheter was uncomfortable as you would expect for a few days but wasn’t as bad I expected.
One thing I would add to catheter care; I would use a piece of athletic tape or gauze tape to wrap around the junction of the catheter and the tube going to the bag, I had an unfortunate incident with the tube coming loose st night while I was sleeping and the tape took care of that problem.
You will get ALOT of great advice here.

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Thanks for your positive wishes and advice, I feel “better armed” with information and what to expect - and appreciate the little hints that are based on your unique experiences.

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@tomf

I have some advice...ask us all again once the catheter is about to come out what to expect, because too much information can be overwhelming right now. I wish someone had told me more about the first week post-op. The catheter was a nuisance but not a pain. I had googled enough ahead of time and found other men had posted YouTube videos on how to live with it for the short term. Be sure to check your modesty at the door and ask your nurse all about your catheter before you get discharged. Cleaning around the meatus and emptying the bag are keys but how to stay comfortable is important too and the tube coming out of your penis is pretty rigid. It was actually a relief not to have to get up to go to urinate while I recuperated. Defecating with it in is an odd situation. Prepare your spouse that she will be getting views of you that aren't so erotic anymore. My penis and scrotum swelled up a lot and turned amazing shades of black and blue. I had read about that but was unprepared for the reality. My left leg swelled up and I couldn't elevate it because that's where the catheter connection was taped. Only later did I get told the connector could be switched to the other leg, which would have made life easier. When the big day came and the catheter came out there was no pain, but there was a sudden spurt of urine. Be prepared with pads and something like depends already on your legs ready to pull up. So I am advising you to just get through the first week, and ask us again about week 2, then week 3. We can help.

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Appreciate very much the detail provided, and you are so right, lots of information out there and perhaps it’s best to focus on what to expect in the short term! Thanks for sharing your experiences and for your advice - a lot to take in but I am trying to absorb as much as I can - forewarned is forearmed!!

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It turned out that my recovery nurse (here in CO, 2 years ago) had been a nurse for Patrick Walsh, a fairly famous prostate cancer surgeon. I thought it was sweet she mentioned that. Anyway, one tip she gave me is that I didn't actually have to change the catheter bag. Instead, I just wore gym shorts (even with a winter coat for my walks outside) and carried the catheter bag in a backpack I dangled next to my legs. It was not particularly obvious, and eliminated one set of learning challenges.
I also saw a physical therapist beforehand and she coached me to greatly increase my water intake and also on the pelvic squeeze--turns out to be something many women deal with post partum. In the subsequent days she also had some good tips on stretching, biking, and scar tissue, among others.
As others have said, the immediate challenge is going through the surgery. The rest will come in due time.

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I know that many things are running through your head right now. For me, I had to wait months for surgery after my biopsy and again, for me, that was the worst part. The surgery was nothing compared to waiting, agonizing, reading others stories, and fearing the worst. I dreaded the catheter the most but it really wasn't that big of a deal. I only had it for seven days. I stocked up on pads due to things I read about incontinence but I didn't even need them. I feared leaking and incontinence but I ended up being fully continent when the catheter was removed. I had a median lobe growing into my bladder so I'm actually peeing much better now.I'm still working on e.d. but making progress. Honestly the fear and anxiety was worse on me than the surgery. My cancer was upgraded after surgery so i' m blessed that I got it out when I did. I chose surgery due to my age and pre-existing urinary problems. I also was blessed to have a great surgeon. Prayers and blessing to you as well my friend

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I'll focus on just one aspect of the post-op period, which I'll define as the first three months...physical activity.

If you are someone who does routine, regular activity, be that golf, running, weight lifting, yoga, whatever, MAKE SURE you discuss with your surgeon after the surgery before you leave the hospital exactly what you usually do, and what they recommend doing/not doing. how to return, when, etc. "Physical activity" after surgery is not one-size-fits-all. E.g., you can walk right away, but you can't ride a bike for 3 months. And everything in between depending on the motions involved, the weights involved. Also, because each surgery is slightly different, there may be some things which apply in your individual case which only the surgeon would know about after having been in there and knowing exactly what they did inside, so the generic advice online might not be right for you.

If you are not routinely physically active, at a bare minimum you should commit to walking as soon as possible after the surgery (like, the afternoon after!), and every day forward. Walking is critical to (a) get your bowels moving again, (b) keep air moving through your lungs to prevent pneumonia, and (c) enhance the body's healing powers by increasing blood and oxygen flow.

Also, the less opioid medication you use (oxycontin, Vicodin, etc), the better as far as bowel function is concerned. Many/most of us after laparoscopic prostatectomy got by just fine on only Tylenol after leaving the hospital.

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@spino

It turned out that my recovery nurse (here in CO, 2 years ago) had been a nurse for Patrick Walsh, a fairly famous prostate cancer surgeon. I thought it was sweet she mentioned that. Anyway, one tip she gave me is that I didn't actually have to change the catheter bag. Instead, I just wore gym shorts (even with a winter coat for my walks outside) and carried the catheter bag in a backpack I dangled next to my legs. It was not particularly obvious, and eliminated one set of learning challenges.
I also saw a physical therapist beforehand and she coached me to greatly increase my water intake and also on the pelvic squeeze--turns out to be something many women deal with post partum. In the subsequent days she also had some good tips on stretching, biking, and scar tissue, among others.
As others have said, the immediate challenge is going through the surgery. The rest will come in due time.

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Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences…. I may just borrow the advice re the back pack! Cheers.

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@keywest19

I know that many things are running through your head right now. For me, I had to wait months for surgery after my biopsy and again, for me, that was the worst part. The surgery was nothing compared to waiting, agonizing, reading others stories, and fearing the worst. I dreaded the catheter the most but it really wasn't that big of a deal. I only had it for seven days. I stocked up on pads due to things I read about incontinence but I didn't even need them. I feared leaking and incontinence but I ended up being fully continent when the catheter was removed. I had a median lobe growing into my bladder so I'm actually peeing much better now.I'm still working on e.d. but making progress. Honestly the fear and anxiety was worse on me than the surgery. My cancer was upgraded after surgery so i' m blessed that I got it out when I did. I chose surgery due to my age and pre-existing urinary problems. I also was blessed to have a great surgeon. Prayers and blessing to you as well my friend

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Thanks very much for sharing, this entire group is so very thoughtful to share their experience, advice and best wishes. All the best to you.

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@trusam1

I'll focus on just one aspect of the post-op period, which I'll define as the first three months...physical activity.

If you are someone who does routine, regular activity, be that golf, running, weight lifting, yoga, whatever, MAKE SURE you discuss with your surgeon after the surgery before you leave the hospital exactly what you usually do, and what they recommend doing/not doing. how to return, when, etc. "Physical activity" after surgery is not one-size-fits-all. E.g., you can walk right away, but you can't ride a bike for 3 months. And everything in between depending on the motions involved, the weights involved. Also, because each surgery is slightly different, there may be some things which apply in your individual case which only the surgeon would know about after having been in there and knowing exactly what they did inside, so the generic advice online might not be right for you.

If you are not routinely physically active, at a bare minimum you should commit to walking as soon as possible after the surgery (like, the afternoon after!), and every day forward. Walking is critical to (a) get your bowels moving again, (b) keep air moving through your lungs to prevent pneumonia, and (c) enhance the body's healing powers by increasing blood and oxygen flow.

Also, the less opioid medication you use (oxycontin, Vicodin, etc), the better as far as bowel function is concerned. Many/most of us after laparoscopic prostatectomy got by just fine on only Tylenol after leaving the hospital.

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Thanks very much, I was interested to hear your experiences re physical activity post surgery. My hope is to do exactly as you suggested - get up and move around, sure it’s helpful from both a physical and emotional perspective.

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I had my RALP in August of 22. My biopsy results were in May so I had 2 months to think about operation. Could be a blessing your husband's operation is in 8 days. I had no pain after operation, not even an aspirin required. The catheter is put in while you're knocked out. Didn't bother me a bit other than the idea of having a catheter. I just used the large cath bag and had it in a blue bucket when I was walking around the house. I had a towel over the bucket just not to be always looking at bag. Silly, but helpful. In hospital one night and was up and walking a couple of hours after operation. No pain. Had cath in 8 days. Removal was nothing. Fully continent after removal except for some dribbling maybe. I wore the pad underwear for 4 weeks but didn't need to. Surgeon on post op visit told me to stop wearing them actually. Definitely ask for Pelvic Floor physical therapy prescription after surgery so your husband knows he's doing Kegels properly. You have to wait 8 weeks or so before PT so you are healed up. Your husband may feel some shoulder pain after surgery. They say it's from the gas used during surgery. I think it's more from the fact they are pivoting you on the operating table for the robot arms. Anyhow your husband will be fine. Good luck. He'll experience tremendous relief after it's over. If he's still working tell him to take off as much time as possible on Medical. I was off work for 8 weeks. Rest is important for healing physically and mentally.

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Hey Buddy, Great advice from everyone. I'll add that no matter what you've heard about "robotic". "non-invasive" and all the other catchphrases they throw at you, this is a major surgery. I had NO idea about how things would be afterwards even though friends - who had had other surgeries - tried to tell me. I never had any pain - in fact, after the IV drip of Tylenol I refused all opioid meds and never felt a thing.
BUT, your core has been manipulated and you will not be able to cough, sneeze or do any of those things without a feeling of unease. GET A PILLOW and have it by your side for the first two weeks; If you feel a cough or sneeze coming, grab it and hug it close to your diaphragm to prevent that feeling that your insides are gonna come out - HA!! That was the best advice I received and it truly saved me a lot of grief. Imagine you've done 10,000 situps - not pain, but sore, tender and the feeling of "get the hell away from me!" It's normal.
Also, and others have touched upon this - be sure you DO NOT strain on the toilet! I was on a soft and liquid diet for the first two weeks and I pooped just fine using Mira-Lax in a smoothie I would make every morning; it was effortless. But one day something didn't work and I really strained and I think I caused a lot of damage (blood in my urine afterwards) because I had to have a second surgery 3 months later when the opening from my bladder to the urethra closed. I didn't have the catheter in at this point so I think I must have torn some internal sutures or something. Just be careful and if you really can't go use a suppository or an enema - that's the loss of modesty and shyness everyone here is laughing about. You do what you gotta do!!
I still go for regular cystoscopies because they found a small bladder tumor during my surgery and having a young, beautiful nurse pull your dick thru a hole in a sheet and swab it with betadine is as normal and non cringeworthy as ordering a cup of coffee at Starbucks. You gotta laugh at yourself all the damn time, right guys??
Good luck with everything - you'll be fine and nothing is ever as bad as you thought it would be. Take your time going back to work - it took me 3 full weeks before I could swing my legs to get in and out of the car (there's that core thing again) even though I was walking at home on my treadmill with the catheter on my leg. Just picture that and you'll laugh for days!!

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