Anyone out there performing self Esophageal dilation

Posted by v132077 @v132077, Feb 12 6:00pm

Diagnosed in June, 2019 with Esophageal Cancer. Went through 7 rounds of Chemo, 34 radiation treatments, and surgery at the IU Health Simon Cancer Center in Indianapolis. Experienced immediate post surgery issues with my throat narrowing at the connection where the two bowels were attached back together during surgery. Had multiple endoscopic procedures stretching things back out. I could get by for a week after each procedure before things closed up again. After a year of this, a stent was placed. The first stent was uncomfortable, and extremely painful and had to be removed after two weeks. After more stretching procedures, another stent was placed. I tolerated this one a little better. The next two years I dealt with stents, and they were a challenge every day to say the least. I had them move, and migrate into what was left of my stomach after the surgery, and there was one time that I apparently passed one, as it was never located. After three years of this, I had a conversation with my GI Doc about an article I had read on self dilation. He said I was a good candidate, and it could be a good solution to my problems. With his help, I was able to get in contact with Dr. Kahn at the Mayo in Phoenix. Dr. Kahn removed my stent one day, and trained me on self dilation the next in Nov. of 2023. I have been doing it daily since. It is not pleasant, but much better than stents, and endoscopic procedures. Dr. Kahn and his staff are absolutely amazing. Glad I went to Mayo to get on track. My life has changed.

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I've seen a few folks who have been self-dilating... but it's certainly not common. I too had a crazy tight anastomosis... I was stuck at 5mm, but did not have my first dilation until 6 months post-op. My GI guy (who takes care of many EC and esophagectomy patients) told me it was actually a good thing I waited 6 months for my first stretch. He said my scar tissue at the anastomosis was nice and firm now... would hold a stretch much better (from his experience). So... not wanting to cause a perforation, he brought me along slowly, at about one stretch a month.... for just 4 months. I think I went from 5mm to 8, then maybe 8 to 11, then 11 to 15, and now I'm about 17mm... and holding for the past 30 months. Certainly not perfect... but close enough.

So... a couple of questions. Were you stretched soon after your esophagectomy... within a month or two? And you mentioned connecting "two bowels back together"... did you have a colon interposition esophagectomy? Most of us simply have our stomachs pulled up and connected to what remains of our esophagus?

Since I talk to hundreds of us EC patients worldwide, it just seems that those who get stretched very early on post-op... get stretched often. I know some who have had 20 or more stretches in the first year or two. But we're all different... I find it's a 50/50 thing... even needing dilations. Some of us do, some never do. But these are just the trends I seem to see... so I counsel my fellow patients that should they need stretching, put it off for a bit to let their scar tissue firm up more.

But congrats on still being NED! My surgery was in July 2020... sounds like I'm at least a year behind you... and I've been moved to yearly scans now (along with my Signatera floating DNA monitoring).

Gary

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@mrgvw

I've seen a few folks who have been self-dilating... but it's certainly not common. I too had a crazy tight anastomosis... I was stuck at 5mm, but did not have my first dilation until 6 months post-op. My GI guy (who takes care of many EC and esophagectomy patients) told me it was actually a good thing I waited 6 months for my first stretch. He said my scar tissue at the anastomosis was nice and firm now... would hold a stretch much better (from his experience). So... not wanting to cause a perforation, he brought me along slowly, at about one stretch a month.... for just 4 months. I think I went from 5mm to 8, then maybe 8 to 11, then 11 to 15, and now I'm about 17mm... and holding for the past 30 months. Certainly not perfect... but close enough.

So... a couple of questions. Were you stretched soon after your esophagectomy... within a month or two? And you mentioned connecting "two bowels back together"... did you have a colon interposition esophagectomy? Most of us simply have our stomachs pulled up and connected to what remains of our esophagus?

Since I talk to hundreds of us EC patients worldwide, it just seems that those who get stretched very early on post-op... get stretched often. I know some who have had 20 or more stretches in the first year or two. But we're all different... I find it's a 50/50 thing... even needing dilations. Some of us do, some never do. But these are just the trends I seem to see... so I counsel my fellow patients that should they need stretching, put it off for a bit to let their scar tissue firm up more.

But congrats on still being NED! My surgery was in July 2020... sounds like I'm at least a year behind you... and I've been moved to yearly scans now (along with my Signatera floating DNA monitoring).

Gary

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I was stretched within a month after surgery. The connection closed up to the point I couldn't swallow my own saliva. Multiple (excess of 20) dilations followed for the first year and a half. My stomach, what was left of it was pulled up also. The cancer was in my stomach lymph nodes also, so I had quite a bit of stomach removed. My bougie is 48FR (16MM) so we are close to having the same diameter. My surgery was Oct., 2019, so yes we are not quite a year apart.

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@v132077

I was stretched within a month after surgery. The connection closed up to the point I couldn't swallow my own saliva. Multiple (excess of 20) dilations followed for the first year and a half. My stomach, what was left of it was pulled up also. The cancer was in my stomach lymph nodes also, so I had quite a bit of stomach removed. My bougie is 48FR (16MM) so we are close to having the same diameter. My surgery was Oct., 2019, so yes we are not quite a year apart.

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Ok... so the big question... when was the cancer seen in your stomach and/or surrounding lymph nodes? I would think if in the confirming scan prior to surgery, the surgery would have been called off. If your post-op pathology showed positive lymph nodes or at the margins of what parts of the stomach and esophagus that were removed... then you would have done a ton of adjuvant chemo. Did you do these treatments post-op?

And did you not wake up with a J tube post-op? Something you could lean on as you recovered from surgery? This would have helped immensely.

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@v132077

I was stretched within a month after surgery. The connection closed up to the point I couldn't swallow my own saliva. Multiple (excess of 20) dilations followed for the first year and a half. My stomach, what was left of it was pulled up also. The cancer was in my stomach lymph nodes also, so I had quite a bit of stomach removed. My bougie is 48FR (16MM) so we are close to having the same diameter. My surgery was Oct., 2019, so yes we are not quite a year apart.

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@v132077, in this video, Mayo Clinic gastroenterologist, Dr. Magnus Halland, M.D. talks about esophageal self-dialation for patients dealing with swallowing difficulties due to narrowing of the esophagus,

- Esophageal Self Dilation Therapy: An Effective Alternative: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/gastroenterology-and-gi-surgery/newsfeed-post/esophageal-self-dilation-therapy-an-effective-alternative/

@walisky @rlp63 @jmfarris @peggyschr @drupoint also share their experiences in the comments.

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@colleenyoung

@v132077, in this video, Mayo Clinic gastroenterologist, Dr. Magnus Halland, M.D. talks about esophageal self-dialation for patients dealing with swallowing difficulties due to narrowing of the esophagus,

- Esophageal Self Dilation Therapy: An Effective Alternative: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/gastroenterology-and-gi-surgery/newsfeed-post/esophageal-self-dilation-therapy-an-effective-alternative/

@walisky @rlp63 @jmfarris @peggyschr @drupoint also share their experiences in the comments.

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Thank You!! This is excellent. I’m going to present it in another support group I belong to and have mentor others with the same or similar issues.

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@v132077

Thank You!! This is excellent. I’m going to present it in another support group I belong to and have mentor others with the same or similar issues.

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Fantastic! Thank you.

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