Anyone had cancer return while taking hormone therapy meds?

Posted by mchler73 @mchler73, Jul 14 2:02pm

Has anyone had their BC return even though they are taking Tamoxifen or an A1?

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I read somewhere in this forum that after 5 years of AI, she found out the cancer metastasized. So I did some research and came across this article. It's an old one (2017) and I don't see any recent update. I decided not to scare myself by doing further research. I'm taking Exemestane and hope it works.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/177133/breast-cancer-drugs-stop-working-when/

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@myoga

I read somewhere in this forum that after 5 years of AI, she found out the cancer metastasized. So I did some research and came across this article. It's an old one (2017) and I don't see any recent update. I decided not to scare myself by doing further research. I'm taking Exemestane and hope it works.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/177133/breast-cancer-drugs-stop-working-when/

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Thank you for your reply. I will read the article.

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@myoga

I read somewhere in this forum that after 5 years of AI, she found out the cancer metastasized. So I did some research and came across this article. It's an old one (2017) and I don't see any recent update. I decided not to scare myself by doing further research. I'm taking Exemestane and hope it works.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/177133/breast-cancer-drugs-stop-working-when/

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I was first diagnosed in 2001. We caught it very early. Had chemo and radiation followed by 5 years on Tamoxifen. Recurrent cancer (same side) 2018. Had bilateral mastectomies. Took Anastrazole for 5 years. Recently, my doctor offered to ask for BCI (breast cancer index?) testing on my tumor to see if I would benefit from another 5 years on Tamoxifen…and it turns out I would. Who knew they kept our little tumors frozen in a vault somewhere for ? years?! We caught mine early both times…the best of the bad news…but twice.

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@lautwell

I was first diagnosed in 2001. We caught it very early. Had chemo and radiation followed by 5 years on Tamoxifen. Recurrent cancer (same side) 2018. Had bilateral mastectomies. Took Anastrazole for 5 years. Recently, my doctor offered to ask for BCI (breast cancer index?) testing on my tumor to see if I would benefit from another 5 years on Tamoxifen…and it turns out I would. Who knew they kept our little tumors frozen in a vault somewhere for ? years?! We caught mine early both times…the best of the bad news…but twice.

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@lautwell so glad a doctor had you do the Breast Cancer Index. Back in 2020 I had to suggest it to my doctor and bring the paperwork for them to sign. For me, it showed high risk at 5.7% (they have changed this risk label since) but no benefit from extended therapy.

I read somewhere that 7 years is as good as 10 but that was a long time ago and don't know if that is true.

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@windyshores

@lautwell so glad a doctor had you do the Breast Cancer Index. Back in 2020 I had to suggest it to my doctor and bring the paperwork for them to sign. For me, it showed high risk at 5.7% (they have changed this risk label since) but no benefit from extended therapy.

I read somewhere that 7 years is as good as 10 but that was a long time ago and don't know if that is true.

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Very helpful reply. Thank you!

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@lautwell

I was first diagnosed in 2001. We caught it very early. Had chemo and radiation followed by 5 years on Tamoxifen. Recurrent cancer (same side) 2018. Had bilateral mastectomies. Took Anastrazole for 5 years. Recently, my doctor offered to ask for BCI (breast cancer index?) testing on my tumor to see if I would benefit from another 5 years on Tamoxifen…and it turns out I would. Who knew they kept our little tumors frozen in a vault somewhere for ? years?! We caught mine early both times…the best of the bad news…but twice.

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@lautwell
I’m so glad it was caught early both times!
Was it the same type of cancer both times?

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@mchler73

@lautwell
I’m so glad it was caught early both times!
Was it the same type of cancer both times?

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Yes.

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I'm 64 and was diagnosed with left breast invasive ductal carcinoma (ER+ HER2-) in Sept. 2020. It was caught early. Decided on bilateral mastectomy (personal choice and not something my breast specialist suggested). 23 lymph nodes removed with 3 showing cancer. I had 6 weeks of radiation but no chemo since Mammaprint showed no benefit from it. Started taking Letrozole (aromatase inhibitor) and took it for 3 years with regular 6 month exams from breast surgeon and oncologist. Labs were monitored and my markers never changed. In July 2023 I started experiencing some lower back pain. PCP prescribed steroids and muscle relaxers, along with stretching, thinking that I had probably pulled something in my lower back. Just happened to have one of my regular visits scheduled in August to see my breast specialist and she suggested having some scans run just to be safe. Scans came back kind of questionable so she scheduled a PET scan. Turns out my breast cancer had metastasized to my bones and was especially present in my spine. The PET scan showed a kind of shotgun effect with most bones in my body being affected to some degree. Started new treatment plan in October after conferring with my oncologist and getting a 2nd opinion at MD Anderson. That treatment plan consisted of Verzenio 150 mg with 2 injections of Fulvestrant (estrogen receptor antagonist) and one injection of Xgeva (bone builder) once a month following the initial 3 bi-weekly injections during the load-up period. Had a few side effects with the worst being diarrhea. It became chronic and eventually caused ulcerative colitis. Even though the treatment plan was working well and had stopped the cancer from advancing I had to stop the Verzenio after almost 8 months and start taking anti-inflammatory/steroid meds for my UC. During that time I had labs and injections every month, PET scans every 3 months and opted in for 2 kyphoplasty procedures to help reduce the pain in my spine, both lumbar and thoracic regions. Had issues with insurance authorizing new medication (Ibrance) so I just started taking Kisqali last week after being off Verzenio for 5weeks. Verzenio, Ibrance & Kisqali are all CDK4/6 inhibitors so the Kisqali should continue to work, but the side effects are a little different as is the dosage requirement. All that being said, I feel better than I did 7-8 months ago and the pain I have is tolerable on the days that it bothers me. I pray the Kisqali will continue to do the job that the Verzenio did (and without diarrhea), but only time will tell - next PET scan will be in October. With all that being said, YES, breast cancer can metastasize even while on aromatase inhibitors. Make sure your care team uses scans in addition to lab work and physical exams as often as they will allow. My care team told me that wasn't necessary and that the cancer markers in my blood would be the tell-tale sign of advancement. Didn't happen that way and I ended up with stage IV breast cancer. I moved all my care and treatments to MD Anderson and I travel 4 hours to get there. Yes, it's inconvenient, but I feel I'm in much better hands than I was initially. Educate yourself and don't ignore what your body or your mind tells you. Despite all the negatives, there are many treatment plans that can work. Everyone's situation is unique. I hope your cancer journey is the best it can be and you find the care you need! Prayers to all!

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@lautwell

@lautwell
Was the 2nd cancer in the same spot as the first time or just same breast?
I’m feeling something similar to what I felt when I found the cancer the first time, but it’s about an inch or so above my Lumpectomy incision.
I am hoping it is just scar tissue but have an ultrasound scheduled for next week.

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@giggilove

I'm 64 and was diagnosed with left breast invasive ductal carcinoma (ER+ HER2-) in Sept. 2020. It was caught early. Decided on bilateral mastectomy (personal choice and not something my breast specialist suggested). 23 lymph nodes removed with 3 showing cancer. I had 6 weeks of radiation but no chemo since Mammaprint showed no benefit from it. Started taking Letrozole (aromatase inhibitor) and took it for 3 years with regular 6 month exams from breast surgeon and oncologist. Labs were monitored and my markers never changed. In July 2023 I started experiencing some lower back pain. PCP prescribed steroids and muscle relaxers, along with stretching, thinking that I had probably pulled something in my lower back. Just happened to have one of my regular visits scheduled in August to see my breast specialist and she suggested having some scans run just to be safe. Scans came back kind of questionable so she scheduled a PET scan. Turns out my breast cancer had metastasized to my bones and was especially present in my spine. The PET scan showed a kind of shotgun effect with most bones in my body being affected to some degree. Started new treatment plan in October after conferring with my oncologist and getting a 2nd opinion at MD Anderson. That treatment plan consisted of Verzenio 150 mg with 2 injections of Fulvestrant (estrogen receptor antagonist) and one injection of Xgeva (bone builder) once a month following the initial 3 bi-weekly injections during the load-up period. Had a few side effects with the worst being diarrhea. It became chronic and eventually caused ulcerative colitis. Even though the treatment plan was working well and had stopped the cancer from advancing I had to stop the Verzenio after almost 8 months and start taking anti-inflammatory/steroid meds for my UC. During that time I had labs and injections every month, PET scans every 3 months and opted in for 2 kyphoplasty procedures to help reduce the pain in my spine, both lumbar and thoracic regions. Had issues with insurance authorizing new medication (Ibrance) so I just started taking Kisqali last week after being off Verzenio for 5weeks. Verzenio, Ibrance & Kisqali are all CDK4/6 inhibitors so the Kisqali should continue to work, but the side effects are a little different as is the dosage requirement. All that being said, I feel better than I did 7-8 months ago and the pain I have is tolerable on the days that it bothers me. I pray the Kisqali will continue to do the job that the Verzenio did (and without diarrhea), but only time will tell - next PET scan will be in October. With all that being said, YES, breast cancer can metastasize even while on aromatase inhibitors. Make sure your care team uses scans in addition to lab work and physical exams as often as they will allow. My care team told me that wasn't necessary and that the cancer markers in my blood would be the tell-tale sign of advancement. Didn't happen that way and I ended up with stage IV breast cancer. I moved all my care and treatments to MD Anderson and I travel 4 hours to get there. Yes, it's inconvenient, but I feel I'm in much better hands than I was initially. Educate yourself and don't ignore what your body or your mind tells you. Despite all the negatives, there are many treatment plans that can work. Everyone's situation is unique. I hope your cancer journey is the best it can be and you find the care you need! Prayers to all!

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@giggilove
Thank you for your response and all the helpful information.
Prayers that you continue to do well!

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