Anastrozole and bladder pain

Posted by virginiae @virginiae, Feb 28, 2020

I have been on Anastrozole for 3 years and bladder pain has become my top issue. Feels like a UTI, but when I have my PCP test my urine there is no UTI. Went to a urogyn who said this is a result of the tissues thinning from lack of estrogen. With approval from my oncologist and urogyn, I use a small amount of estrogen cream vaginally 2x week, and the urogyn prescribed another medicine for pain flareups. I've been able to get by this way for a time, but it's been getting worse and harder to control the flareups. Next week I'm going back to the urogyn so she can look inside my bladder and make sure there's no cancer. Assuming there isn't (fingers crossed), if I cannot control the pain it's going to be a deal breaker for me and I will stop the anastrozole. I have been managing through the joint pain and other side effects, but it's very hard to function with bladder pain and I have to be able to support myself for a little longer. Anyone else struggling with this? Thanks...

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@gshoemaker

Did your interstitial cystitis cause symptoms like blood showing up in urine, which caused you to think you had a UTI? What sent you to the urologist for a cystoscopy?

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Pain. Painful bladder on a regular basis. No blood in urine, just the pain similar to when you have a UTI. Cystoscopy found no signs of cancer but a lot of inflammation. I managed through this period by drinking a ton of water and avoiding acidic foods and it did get better, but would flare up periodically. I finished my 5 years of anastrozole and I do think that exacerbated it.

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So, can you tell me how often and at what time of day you have bladder pain? I have burning pain lower abdomen at night, keeps me awake but rarely have it during the day.

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@karenvh

So, can you tell me how often and at what time of day you have bladder pain? I have burning pain lower abdomen at night, keeps me awake but rarely have it during the day.

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@karenvh, have you talked to your cancer team about this bladder pain? Have they ruled out any infection or other condition that may be causing this pain?

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@colleenyoung

@karenvh, have you talked to your cancer team about this bladder pain? Have they ruled out any infection or other condition that may be causing this pain?

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No I have not spoken with onco, but my doctor is running tests, high Leukocytes and hemoglobin in urine, having an ultrasound on Tuesday, but I quit taking the anastrozole last week Monday and I'm already starting to feel better. I'm going to stay off it until all tests are done. Then make a decision as to go back on it or change to something else. Thank you for your response, I appreciate it.

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@elizm

@virginiae
Such an interesting question. I have an estrogen-related issue which may or may not be in the same boat, but may further enlighten the discussion.

Six years ago, as a clearly postmenopausal woman, I began having horrendous UTIs each month (something my mother and older sister also were plagued with). My PCP would give me antibiotics to which I would have strong adverse effects, and sent me to a urologist who said my bladder and kidneys were in great shape. After several months of the UTIs, I went to a gyno-oncologist on another issue and mentioned the UTIs. He said the solution to that was easy and prescribed 10 mcg. vaginal estradiol tablets twice a week (a tiny, tiny amount)... and the UTIs stopped. I haven't had one since. (I had no idea there was a connection, and apparently, neither did my PCP nor the urologist.)

When menopause occurs, estrogen production is reduced, which is the major cause of urogenital atrophy. Atrophy means a wasting away of muscle mass, and urogenital atrophy involves atrophy of the vagina as well as atrophy of the urinary tract. Potential issues include UTIs, stress and urge incontinence, pelvic organ prolapse, vaginal bleeding, etc. There are various lifestyle changes (like reducing caffeine, specific exercises, maintaining a healthy weight, etc.) and medical procedures which can address these. Topical estradiol also is one.

As you likely know, anastrozole is a double-whammy for postmenopausal women... our ovaries are no longer making estrogen, and now the anastrozole is blocking the estrogen from our fat cells and adrenals.

At one time, it was thought that topical vaginal estradiol was contraindicated for HR+ breast cancer patients, as systemic estradiol (HRT) certainly is. More recently, however, studies indicate that postmenopausal breast cancer women who use vaginal estrogen have the same risks (for invasive breast cancer, stroke, blood clots, endometrial cancer, and colorectal cancer) as women who do not use vaginal estrogen.

https://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/vaginal-estrogen-not-linked-to-high-riskhttps://www.acog.org/Clinical-Guidance-and-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/The-Use-of-Vaginal-Estrogen-in-Women-With-a-History-of-Estrogen-Dependent-Breast-Cancer?IsMobileSet=falsehttps://www.medpagetoday.com/obgyn/breastcancer/56449

The controversy now is whether the tiny amounts of estradiol (10 mcg taken twice a week = 20 mcg.) which breast cancer survivors use for urogenital issues is enough to interfere with the work of anastrozole (1 mg. = 1,000 mcg. taken daily = 7,000 mcg) as to make it substantially less efficacious. The use of estradiol therefore becomes an informed decision as the experts have not come to a conclusion.

Here's hoping that your uro-gyn can assess what's going on with your bladder (due to a prolapsed uterus, for example) and that s/he can provide the relief you need and deserve.

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This is helpful info! I have been on anastrozole for 3 years and have had 5 UTIs in just under 2 years. I'm going to ask my onco doc about estradiol.

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@sparklegram

I agree with Trixie, @virginiae. I think a conversation with your doctor about switching AIs immediately is in order. Exemestane might be a good choice

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My oncologist said switching AIs would not because they all cause it. However, what do you have to lose by trying a different one for a while?

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