Diagnosed with Ameloblastoma

Posted by caw @caw, Nov 9, 2021

Reaching out to anyone else wanting to connect with others diagnosed with Ameloblastoma and the journey involved.

My background, diagnosed February 2021, segmental mandibulectomy, fibula free flap March 2021.

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@zigvero24

I (accidentally?) came across your website. My 45 y/o son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 1985, treated with chemo/radiation/chemo. During a routine dental X-ray, a “cyst” was discovered below his back molars in his right lower jaw. Saw docs yesterday at UF Health Jacksonville and surgery to remove the cyst will be scheduled soon. He will most likely lose the teeth. My concern is the diagnosis of ameloblastoma with his history of cancer.

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Hi, @zigvero24 !

Has there been a biopsy to verify the diagnosis of a "cyst"? In my experience, it takes quite awhile (and both times a transfer from the regular pathologist to a specialist pathologist, then more waiting) to get a definitive answer on ameloblastoma.

For me, the first step after dental X-ray discovery and oral surgeon consult was to have a biopsy taken. Both times.

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@zigvero24

I (accidentally?) came across your website. My 45 y/o son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 1985, treated with chemo/radiation/chemo. During a routine dental X-ray, a “cyst” was discovered below his back molars in his right lower jaw. Saw docs yesterday at UF Health Jacksonville and surgery to remove the cyst will be scheduled soon. He will most likely lose the teeth. My concern is the diagnosis of ameloblastoma with his history of cancer.

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Hi @zigvero24 and welcome to the head and neck group. We are mostly patients either current or previous and collectively one of us may be able to help you navigate the next few weeks.
A cyst can sometimes just be a cyst caused by an infection. However, Ameloblastoma for some reason loves the teeth/ bone area, rare as they might be.
Can you let me or us know what the results from surgery will be? Hopefully it is nothing more than a cyst but if not, we are here for you.
Courage.

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I (accidentally?) came across your website. My 45 y/o son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 1985, treated with chemo/radiation/chemo. During a routine dental X-ray, a “cyst” was discovered below his back molars in his right lower jaw. Saw docs yesterday at UF Health Jacksonville and surgery to remove the cyst will be scheduled soon. He will most likely lose the teeth. My concern is the diagnosis of ameloblastoma with his history of cancer.

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@tomschwerdt

As a more general followup - I've been feeling pretty good lately. Getting on the right dose of thyroid hormone for long enough made a big difference.

Since everything seems to be under control, I'll be on a 6 week schedule of MDA followups rather than the current 4 week schedule. One interim followup, then the big one is the next imaging in ~12 weeks.

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@tomschwerdt - So glad to hear that the thyroid has made such a difference! Will add you to my prayer list for good results at the 12 week imaging!

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As a more general followup - I've been feeling pretty good lately. Getting on the right dose of thyroid hormone for long enough made a big difference.

Since everything seems to be under control, I'll be on a 6 week schedule of MDA followups rather than the current 4 week schedule. One interim followup, then the big one is the next imaging in ~12 weeks.

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@tomschwerdt

We have remineralization! What does that mean? Targeted chemo is working. The bone has grown back enough to be easily seen on today's CT scan!

Even more interesting - I found out that I am no longer the only MD Anderson patient having their ameloblastoma treated with the same drug regimen! No specifics beyond that. I should see if they allow me to offer my contact info to the other patient.

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Great news Tom.

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@tomschwerdt

We have remineralization! What does that mean? Targeted chemo is working. The bone has grown back enough to be easily seen on today's CT scan!

Even more interesting - I found out that I am no longer the only MD Anderson patient having their ameloblastoma treated with the same drug regimen! No specifics beyond that. I should see if they allow me to offer my contact info to the other patient.

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@tomschwerdt , that's great news about the bone regrowth! You may be onto something there at MD Anderson!

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We have remineralization! What does that mean? Targeted chemo is working. The bone has grown back enough to be easily seen on today's CT scan!

Even more interesting - I found out that I am no longer the only MD Anderson patient having their ameloblastoma treated with the same drug regimen! No specifics beyond that. I should see if they allow me to offer my contact info to the other patient.

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@anniecl

-My 24 year old son had a similar experience. His dentist saw something on a routine xray so took a CT and referred my son to an oral surgeon. We were told it was most likely a typical dental cyst and they did surgery to remove it. They didn't feel the need to do a biopsy because they were so certain it was a simple cyst. We later learned this was probably the conservative "scoop" surgery. The pathology report identified ameloblastoma. The oral surgeon referred my son to a local head and neck surgeon (who does surgery in a community hospital), for follow up 3 months later. Before this appointment they checked another CT for comparison and not surprisingly saw 2 spots of the amelo, so the FFP surgery was recommended to be done in a few months or up to a year later because amelo is so slow growing.

-My son has decided he would like to proceed with FFP surgery as it seems the conservative scoop surgery rarely seems to remove all the amelo cells and recurrence occurs down the road at some point. I'm a nurse and knew we would need to have this done at a major medical center where there was a team approach and the surgeons had done many of these procedures. That's how I found Mayo Rochester and we are in the process of getting a consultation appointment there.

-To answer your question, I don't think my son's amelo recurred after the initial conservative surgery to remove what was thought to be a cyst--I think the amelo wasn't all removed at his first surgery. Perhaps if the oral surgeon had known it was amelo he would have done a more extensive, conservative scraping. Then it would be all clear at this point and my son would just be monitored frequently so any re-growth would be detected early, and we'd proceed with the FFP at that future time.

-The new wrinkle in our plan came last week when my son saw a prosthodontist who works with the local head and neck surgeon. She evaluated him for implants to be done during the FFP surgery--if he chose to have the surgery done by the local surgeon. However, she thinks the amelo is so small at this point that my son should "wait until it gets larger." She mentioned research that the FFP transplant commonly fails if there isn't a large enough piece of fibula bone that is placed in the jaw where the amelo is removed. So now we are in the process of contacting the local surgeon to clarify this. I haven't seen that issue mentioned anywhere and am dubious. This seems like another reason one should have the FFP surgery done at a major medical center by very experienced surgeons who've done a lot of these surgeries.

-Best of luck to you. This is a great site for accurate information!

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@anniecl My original surgery was probably the same as your son, or at least very similar. Enucleation and curettage is how it was written up - basically taking out the bone above the tumor and scraping out the pocket. Ameloblastomas are typically quite slow growing tumors. My original diagnosis was 2007, my recurrence wasn't discovered until 2023.

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@anniecl

-My 24 year old son had a similar experience. His dentist saw something on a routine xray so took a CT and referred my son to an oral surgeon. We were told it was most likely a typical dental cyst and they did surgery to remove it. They didn't feel the need to do a biopsy because they were so certain it was a simple cyst. We later learned this was probably the conservative "scoop" surgery. The pathology report identified ameloblastoma. The oral surgeon referred my son to a local head and neck surgeon (who does surgery in a community hospital), for follow up 3 months later. Before this appointment they checked another CT for comparison and not surprisingly saw 2 spots of the amelo, so the FFP surgery was recommended to be done in a few months or up to a year later because amelo is so slow growing.

-My son has decided he would like to proceed with FFP surgery as it seems the conservative scoop surgery rarely seems to remove all the amelo cells and recurrence occurs down the road at some point. I'm a nurse and knew we would need to have this done at a major medical center where there was a team approach and the surgeons had done many of these procedures. That's how I found Mayo Rochester and we are in the process of getting a consultation appointment there.

-To answer your question, I don't think my son's amelo recurred after the initial conservative surgery to remove what was thought to be a cyst--I think the amelo wasn't all removed at his first surgery. Perhaps if the oral surgeon had known it was amelo he would have done a more extensive, conservative scraping. Then it would be all clear at this point and my son would just be monitored frequently so any re-growth would be detected early, and we'd proceed with the FFP at that future time.

-The new wrinkle in our plan came last week when my son saw a prosthodontist who works with the local head and neck surgeon. She evaluated him for implants to be done during the FFP surgery--if he chose to have the surgery done by the local surgeon. However, she thinks the amelo is so small at this point that my son should "wait until it gets larger." She mentioned research that the FFP transplant commonly fails if there isn't a large enough piece of fibula bone that is placed in the jaw where the amelo is removed. So now we are in the process of contacting the local surgeon to clarify this. I haven't seen that issue mentioned anywhere and am dubious. This seems like another reason one should have the FFP surgery done at a major medical center by very experienced surgeons who've done a lot of these surgeries.

-Best of luck to you. This is a great site for accurate information!

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@anniecl, Thanks for your detailed reply.

My situation does seem to be similar to your son's in how it was found and diagnosed.

Your son is lucky to have such an informed mother to walk through this with him!

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