After bisphosphonates then what
I suspect many of us started on some form of bisphosphonate. My question is what did you do next after being on these drugs for many years? I am reading that the effects of Forteo/Tymlos, and Evenity are blunted. Did you move instead to Prolia or Reclast and then what happened?
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windyshores, it's a little off topic but a reminder of how complex things are. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10477312/
There is new study that I no longer have access to that had the same results in mice, but the mice brains were injected with sclerostin. So you have to wonder if the injecting causes some disturbance.
(Will we all be taking Evenity to slow alzheimer's? someday)
I read about the hyothetical connection between sclerostin and Alzheimer's investigated in that study, which at the time I found strange since I thought Evenity was causing memory issues. But I think it was post-COVID!
Then again I also read that some of older folk (with arthritis) may be low in sclerostin!
My mother had serious dental problems after a decade on Fosamax. It reminded me of the stories of the women and girls who worked in the match factories - when matches were made of phosphorus - and got "fossyjaw"- necrosis of the jaw. The specialist dentist I took Mum to was pretty scathing about her doctor.
I feel for your mother and yes, there is that risk. I doubt there is a dentist that likes this drug. That being said, the risk is supposed to be low, but I cannot remember how low, and it may not have been known when you mother took it.
I am hoping that Reclast can be limited to 3 years, maybe 5, for most of us. After Tymlos or Forteo or Evenity, I hope even one year. The problems, I have read and been told by docs, happen when it is taken longer. There are exceptions, which we have seen on this forum.
I have one tooth that has a short root and is very loose. Front bottom. Dentist says to go ahead with Reclast and they can do a root canal if needed. If the tooth falls out, I guess there won't be as much trauma to trigger necrosis! I have to check on that.
@gently what does this sentence mean "The reductive effect of prior bisphonate use (and vitamin D use) are said to equalize to normal response within a year (observed, not proven)." ?
hi, awfultruth.
When trying to determine why some on anabolic treatment had lower response numbers by dxa, two associative factors were found. Individuals who hadn't taken bisphosphonates and individuals who hadn't taken vitamin d, had the best response numbers. Associative factors are determined by self-reportage and by the simple numbering ( meaning oh, these ten didn't have a good response and they are the same ten who report taking vitamin D daily in the prior years). These associative reports aren't as reliable (or interesting as) mechanism of action factors.
Later tracking indicated that those low response bisphosphonated, D'd patients had equal response in less than but close to 2 years of anabolic treatment.
Mechanism of action were later determined for bishphosphonate use. The drug clads the bone for many years preventing the remodeling effect of osteoblasts as well as osteoclasts.
Mechanism of action for D seems to be (someone probably knows for sure) the greater absorption of calcium from the intestine. The parathyroid meds tested work by pulsed flooding of the serum with calcium followed by reduced calcium in the serum, though it is subsequent effect that increases BMD.
Even if this is completely clear (let me know), it may not be completely right. Even the research is slightly speculative as we discover when further research reverses these concept. The part I trust most are the mechanism of action, but even those can be are overturned because of misinterpretation.
Bless our researchers!
This conversation has confused me. I am being seen by an endocrinologist at The Mayo Clinic in Rochester. My Dexa for my spine was osteopenia but my trabecular score was osteoporotic and wasn’t good. My CTX blood marker showed high reabsorption. He suggested I shouldn’t wait to start treatment and prescribed Reclast, calcium carbonate and vitamins D. I have had one infusion. From this conversation, if I have understood it correctly, Reclast isn’t preferred because it inhibits new bone building. Is this correct? Also I read the study about the mice (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25314004/ ) and it suggests taking a calcium-collagen chelate dietary supplement. Have any of you found this product and are taking it?
From what I have read Reclast promotes bone formation. Here is a link that explains what the drug is intended to do: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/reclast-infusion-for-osteoporosis
@gently, my head is spinning re vitd. Prior non vitD exposure resulted better response to an anabolic? How does the mechanism work? Felt I have dyslexia here. I know the effect of teriparatide on blood calcium after injection. Could you explain in a different way, if you have time? Thanks a lot!