ADT, maybe not? Anyone opted out of ADT?

Posted by bob1955 @bob1955, Oct 28 6:20am

Has anyone opted out of ADT? I think its effects are possibly too much to sacrifice (at my age, or any age, maybe), but no one has tried to persuade me to have it. Yet.

3 weeks since diagnosis, age 69, 4+3, PSA 10.6, localized, one core, PSMA PET next week. Meeting RO today.

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You need to be careful when reading the Duke report because they use the term hormone when speaking of testosterone which technically is a hormone. It is confusing but based on the quote below they are saying that high doses of testosterone are best for aggressive difficult to treat prostate cancer.

"In recent years, clinicians have begun treating patients with late-stage, therapy resistant prostate cancers using a monthly, high-dose injection of testosterone in a technique called bi-polar androgen therapy, or BAT. The inability to understand how this intervention works has hindered its widespread adoption as a mainstream therapeutic approach for prostate cancer patients.

For the whole article see: https://corporate.dukehealth.org/news/study-solves-testosterones-paradoxical-effects-prostate-cancer

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@pesquallie Testosterone, hormone and androgen are all the SAME in this article. ADT blocks all of them.
So in early disease, blocking T is beneficial…it stops the cancer…however, in late stage it can produce the OPPOSITE effect and promote its growth. This is why it is called contradictory because giving T to a late stage patient should make it worse, not better. But they’ve found that it does, indeed, work by forming an odd receptor site molecule that blocks its growth. It’s weird, paradoxical and makes no sense, but there it is…
Hope that clears it up…
Phil

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@pesquallie Testosterone, hormone and androgen are all the SAME in this article. ADT blocks all of them.
So in early disease, blocking T is beneficial…it stops the cancer…however, in late stage it can produce the OPPOSITE effect and promote its growth. This is why it is called contradictory because giving T to a late stage patient should make it worse, not better. But they’ve found that it does, indeed, work by forming an odd receptor site molecule that blocks its growth. It’s weird, paradoxical and makes no sense, but there it is…
Hope that clears it up…
Phil

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@heavyphil

Phil,

Thankyou. I think you are right, but Duke has a hard sell because for 20 years doctors have been decreasing testosterone for aggressive cancer and their data shows some success. Duke is using AI to determine who this new BAT will help. It may be too late for me but it is great seeing that a lot of work is being done to improve treatments for prostate cancer.

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@heavyphil

Phil,

Thankyou. I think you are right, but Duke has a hard sell because for 20 years doctors have been decreasing testosterone for aggressive cancer and their data shows some success. Duke is using AI to determine who this new BAT will help. It may be too late for me but it is great seeing that a lot of work is being done to improve treatments for prostate cancer.

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@pesquallie Yes it’s amazing how quickly an accepted idea with years of acceptance becomes the exact opposite at a snap of the fingers- makes the head spin!!
But BAT is not for everyone, as you point out and there are new drugs coming out every single day to overcome the hurdles of this disease.
If you even think about your own treatment, it’s vastly better than what was done 20 yrs ago, right? It’s never too late until it’s really too late…not sure if Yogi said that but you know what I mean😉

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