11 anniversaries since diagnosis of stage 4 prostate cancer

Posted by mccsjm @mccsjm, May 25 12:47am

Diagnosed at 63, I did not have the confidence at that time to believe I would live another 10 years. Yet, I just completed another follow-up visit in the past two weeks. My semiannual routine includes a blood draw for PSA and metabolic panel, followed by a visit to my oncologist's office. Given the many years of hormone therapy, they added a DEXA scan to check my bones.

Overall, they are happy with the results. PSA remains undetectable (might not be the most sensitive assay. My lipid levels remain elevated, so lipid-lowering medication may be inevitable in the near future, but it's not the end of the world. I hope my experience can encourage my fellow warriors. Living with prostate cancer is entirely achievable.

I also learned that the website for clinical trial matching that my oncologist pointed me to previously (inforeach.org) has added search for treatments recommended by clinical guidelines. It's quite intriguing as you can check if your treatment is consistent with the standard of care. Sharing this information for anyone who may want to check it out.

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I had terrible pain in my back when I was initially diagnosed 2 years ago. I received radiation to my spin and ribs and the pain disappeared. I used to be slightly over 6"0 and I am now a solid 5"11. I am concerned about my spin in the future. If you do not mind, what was your PSA at diagnosis. Am I to assume you are do novo stage 4 Prostate Cancer? I also am de novo stage 4 bone only.

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@mccsjm

Thank you rick137! You've raised a great point. I try my best to stick to a healthy diet and maintain an active lifestyle, as we've been repeatedly advised. I've always enjoyed exercise in my life. As I'm getting old, going out for a walk and gardening have become part of my daily routine. I also enjoy traveling and playing with my grandchildren. Remember moderate exercise is beneficial for our bone health. In terms of diet, I follow the general principles of a heart-healthy diet. ADT and older age increase the risk of heart disease and stroke, which may partially explain my suboptimal cholesterol and glucose level. Management of prostate cancer is continual learning process. I'm also interested in learning what others are doing.
Personally I like being involved in deciding my treatment plan. It's a learning process. For prostate cancer and many other diseases, you're best managed by a multidisciplinary team. It's helpful to know the underlying reasoning and data about choosing a treatment.

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hi, if you go on youtube you can find a world of info from oncologists seminars in plain english that you can understand a world of info!!!

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After reading this info I went and checked my Alkaline Phosphates , was 37, psa has been holding at< 0.02 for some time. And I'm sure hoping that the metastases hold where they are or at least not go any farther. Thanks for sharing info. Best to all.

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@wooldridgec

I had terrible pain in my back when I was initially diagnosed 2 years ago. I received radiation to my spin and ribs and the pain disappeared. I used to be slightly over 6"0 and I am now a solid 5"11. I am concerned about my spin in the future. If you do not mind, what was your PSA at diagnosis. Am I to assume you are do novo stage 4 Prostate Cancer? I also am de novo stage 4 bone only.

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The pain in my back wasn't horrible, but the balance problems were really getting me.

The cancer was oligometastatic (stage 4b) to my thoracic spine — just one metastasis, thankfully — and my PSA was 67 at diagnosis. I had emergency debulking surgery (over 10 hours on the operating table), radiation to my spine after the surgery healed, then radiation to my prostate 6 months later. I've also been on ADT (first Firmagon, then Orgovyx) and ARSI (Erleada) continually since diagnosis, and I get tested every three months.

The news has stayed good (PSA < 0.01) since my onco team "threw the kitchen sink at it" (their words). I did suffer some permanent radiation damage to the bottom of my bladder and my rectum, but it's not all that serious, and if even I knew I'd have these complications I'd still make the decision to fricassee that prostate to give me a chance of living many more years.

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@northoftheborder

The pain in my back wasn't horrible, but the balance problems were really getting me.

The cancer was oligometastatic (stage 4b) to my thoracic spine — just one metastasis, thankfully — and my PSA was 67 at diagnosis. I had emergency debulking surgery (over 10 hours on the operating table), radiation to my spine after the surgery healed, then radiation to my prostate 6 months later. I've also been on ADT (first Firmagon, then Orgovyx) and ARSI (Erleada) continually since diagnosis, and I get tested every three months.

The news has stayed good (PSA < 0.01) since my onco team "threw the kitchen sink at it" (their words). I did suffer some permanent radiation damage to the bottom of my bladder and my rectum, but it's not all that serious, and if even I knew I'd have these complications I'd still make the decision to fricassee that prostate to give me a chance of living many more years.

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I surrender, I can't figure out the difference between 4a and 4b, I guess it really doesn't matter at this point but I am still curious.

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@stevecando54

I surrender, I can't figure out the difference between 4a and 4b, I guess it really doesn't matter at this point but I am still curious.

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Stage 4b is prostate cancer in the bone only. I know this because I am stage 4b. I'm not sure about 4a. I assume is prostate cancer in lymph or organs (i.e., lung or liver). My understanding is that when prostate cancer goes visceral it likes the lung and liver the most. But, I've heard in rare cases of prostate cancer going other places viscerally such as the brain. But that is very rare. Sorry, everyone should reply as plainly as possible.

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@northoftheborder

The pain in my back wasn't horrible, but the balance problems were really getting me.

The cancer was oligometastatic (stage 4b) to my thoracic spine — just one metastasis, thankfully — and my PSA was 67 at diagnosis. I had emergency debulking surgery (over 10 hours on the operating table), radiation to my spine after the surgery healed, then radiation to my prostate 6 months later. I've also been on ADT (first Firmagon, then Orgovyx) and ARSI (Erleada) continually since diagnosis, and I get tested every three months.

The news has stayed good (PSA < 0.01) since my onco team "threw the kitchen sink at it" (their words). I did suffer some permanent radiation damage to the bottom of my bladder and my rectum, but it's not all that serious, and if even I knew I'd have these complications I'd still make the decision to fricassee that prostate to give me a chance of living many more years.

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Stage 4b oligometastatic is curative. Deep remission. Unfortunately, I am high volume. I had my recent checkup and I am still < 0.100. I also meet with our :Life with cancer" group and I was encouraged and also discouraged by the meeting. Basically, they told me that I need to accept that the cancer will return some day. They do not know when but it is inevitable that everyone becomes resistant (castrate resistant). Resistance occurs because you already have resistant cancer cells that are not killed and left over after radiation and or chemotherapy. My strategy was also the throw the kitchen sink at it "Carpet Bomb" the cancer with radiation to the spin and ribs and enduring 10 chemotherapy cycles instead of 6. I told my wife I did not want to leave any resistant cancer cells behind and give them a chance at returning and causing resistance sooner rather than later. I had quadruplet therapy not triplet. Radiation, ADT (Eligard), ARSI (Darolutamide), 10 cycles of chemotherapy (Docetaxel), and Xgeva injections for my bones every 6 weeks. I did 22 infusions of Zometa before being switched to Xgeva. I do not want to accept that I will become Castrate Resistant.

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@wooldridgec

Stage 4b oligometastatic is curative. Deep remission. Unfortunately, I am high volume. I had my recent checkup and I am still < 0.100. I also meet with our :Life with cancer" group and I was encouraged and also discouraged by the meeting. Basically, they told me that I need to accept that the cancer will return some day. They do not know when but it is inevitable that everyone becomes resistant (castrate resistant). Resistance occurs because you already have resistant cancer cells that are not killed and left over after radiation and or chemotherapy. My strategy was also the throw the kitchen sink at it "Carpet Bomb" the cancer with radiation to the spin and ribs and enduring 10 chemotherapy cycles instead of 6. I told my wife I did not want to leave any resistant cancer cells behind and give them a chance at returning and causing resistance sooner rather than later. I had quadruplet therapy not triplet. Radiation, ADT (Eligard), ARSI (Darolutamide), 10 cycles of chemotherapy (Docetaxel), and Xgeva injections for my bones every 6 weeks. I did 22 infusions of Zometa before being switched to Xgeva. I do not want to accept that I will become Castrate Resistant.

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They told me in 2021 that my cancer would likely become castrate resistant within a couple of years. Now they don't say that any more.

Granted, my situation is different, with just one known (very large) metastasis, but things really are up in the air these days, eapecially because drugs like Erleada are still new.

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I'm glad to hear they stopped say that to you. Although the PA said castrate resistance is inevitable, she also said it could be much further down the road. I'm hoping I continue down the ARSENs trial data. It is two years after 4 year trial ended and time to castrate resistance has still not been reached.

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@wooldridgec

Stage 4b oligometastatic is curative. Deep remission. Unfortunately, I am high volume. I had my recent checkup and I am still < 0.100. I also meet with our :Life with cancer" group and I was encouraged and also discouraged by the meeting. Basically, they told me that I need to accept that the cancer will return some day. They do not know when but it is inevitable that everyone becomes resistant (castrate resistant). Resistance occurs because you already have resistant cancer cells that are not killed and left over after radiation and or chemotherapy. My strategy was also the throw the kitchen sink at it "Carpet Bomb" the cancer with radiation to the spin and ribs and enduring 10 chemotherapy cycles instead of 6. I told my wife I did not want to leave any resistant cancer cells behind and give them a chance at returning and causing resistance sooner rather than later. I had quadruplet therapy not triplet. Radiation, ADT (Eligard), ARSI (Darolutamide), 10 cycles of chemotherapy (Docetaxel), and Xgeva injections for my bones every 6 weeks. I did 22 infusions of Zometa before being switched to Xgeva. I do not want to accept that I will become Castrate Resistant.

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I am 4b as well. I had essentially the same therapy as you (Johns Hopkins calls it Total Eradication Therapy-TET). My PSA is currently undetectable one and a half years after treatment and I am off all meds. My MO at Hopkins is heavily involved in research and I have read some of his articles. When cancer cells are stressed (chemo, radiation etc) some of them go into a hibernation state with double DNA; the cells look different under the microscope than the other cancer cells. After a time (don't know how long) when the stress is no longer present they begin dividing again. That is why some MO believe it is futile to have excessive chemo treatments which can have significant side effects. No matter how many you get you won't kill them all. The first 4 or so treatments kills 99% of what the chemo will do.

Good luck to you.

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