Anyone wake feeling exhausted after seemingly dreaming all night

Posted by mazeppabob @mazeppabob, Jul 26, 2022

I never wake refreshed/rested. It has been like this for as long as I can remember and I am 77 now,
My sleep medicine DR called it EPIC dreaming. A rare disorder with no known cause or treatment. His only suggestion was to prescribe Modafinil (a stimulant) taken in the morning to perk me up.
I have tried CPAP and other meds to no avail.
I wonder if this is really that rare.

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@kernell

I used to wake from deep sleep and now I take 5 mg of cyclobenzaprine {Flexeril}.

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Do you take this every night and was it prescribed off-label to help with sleep vs. for it's use as a muscle relaxant? I take it as needed for fibromyalgia pain at night but noticed it helps me sleep a little bit better. I reluctant to take it long term as I read it can lose it's effectiveness over time for helping with muscle pain.

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@hshaw1

Yes!! Finally, I wasn't aware there was a disorder called Epic Dreaming. This is my life. I've always had, what I called, night sagas. They are vivid, lasting most of the night and I wake up tired, if not emotionally exhausted.

What is different for me is that they are hardly banal or lacking in affective anything. They are simply the most intense experiences I experience. And it's multiple times a week. Sometimes every night.

Like this morning. I'm not sure I quite made it back into this reality yet. Hence how I found this.
Tons of body disassociation. It's like when you merge two images and one is just a bit off. I know my brain is sending the messages to function, but there is a hefty degree of floating outside of everything. Trying to plug back in. Anyone else deal with this?

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Mine are very intense and super stressful most of the time. I had to look up banal and like you that definitely doesn’t apply. I find myself just getting up as the dreams are exhausting! I don’t want to take sleeping pills. Let me know if you find any answers.

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Glad to see an ecxellent conversation about this. I started taking my antidepressant med at night and it seemed to alleviate the excessive dreaming but now finding that I may not be benefitting from the meds as much during the daytime. Tonight I'm going back to taking it in the morning and take a magnesium and half mg of lorazepam and see what happens. Too bad sleep studies can't help identify anything with this issue!

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@teddysmama

Glad to see an ecxellent conversation about this. I started taking my antidepressant med at night and it seemed to alleviate the excessive dreaming but now finding that I may not be benefitting from the meds as much during the daytime. Tonight I'm going back to taking it in the morning and take a magnesium and half mg of lorazepam and see what happens. Too bad sleep studies can't help identify anything with this issue!

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I saved an article from Life Extension magazine dated October 2022, titled "The Problem with Sleep-Aid Drugs". It speaks to the fact that those who take benzos for sleep at nighttime have a significant reduction in melatonin production (by half or so), which could/would result in poor sleep. It says to take 3 mg of oral melatonin before bedtime if the person is on benzos for sleep. I take 5 mg of melatonin along with my 2 mg of clonazepam and it works for me. But, note that I take the clonazepam for anti-anxiety, not as a sleep med. Yet it obviously works for me in that regard. If I were to take clonazepam in the AM, it makes my muscle and driving responses highly sluggish.

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@vayana

Hi, first of all, I'm not a big advocate of cannabis at all, but what I do know is that you stop having dreams altogether when you regularly smoke weed, especially the Indica strain. Just a few drags or 1 joint before bedtime is enough.

If you can't stand smoke, then you may try an edible, like a cannabis brownie. If you're not used to cannabis at all, I wouldn't recommend more than 1/8 of a cookie or brownie as it can be quite potent and too much might make you feel uncomfortable instead of relaxed. Edibles take about an hour to take effect, but you can take it right before bedtime so it'll become active while you sleep.

I'm not gonna tell you it's healthy because it's natural, but there are some properties about marijuana that may be beneficial under some conditions. and in the right dose. In your case, I would definitely rather have a little bit of daily weed at bedtime than prescribed chemicals every morning.

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Hey, so I know I'm about a year late to this thread, but I have to counter your assertion that smoking/consuming weed will just stop dreams. Maybe that's true for some people, but I am about as regular a smoker as anyone can possibly be, for years now, and if anything my dreams have intensified over time regardless of strain/amount/time before I sleep. Maybe I'm the odd one out, but this is 100% untrue for me, and I'm on this thread because the original post sounds identical to what I experience. I'm glad for anyone who has found it helpful, and I do *wish* it worked like that for me

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@hshaw1

Yes!! Finally, I wasn't aware there was a disorder called Epic Dreaming. This is my life. I've always had, what I called, night sagas. They are vivid, lasting most of the night and I wake up tired, if not emotionally exhausted.

What is different for me is that they are hardly banal or lacking in affective anything. They are simply the most intense experiences I experience. And it's multiple times a week. Sometimes every night.

Like this morning. I'm not sure I quite made it back into this reality yet. Hence how I found this.
Tons of body disassociation. It's like when you merge two images and one is just a bit off. I know my brain is sending the messages to function, but there is a hefty degree of floating outside of everything. Trying to plug back in. Anyone else deal with this?

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This definitely resonates with me, and it seems many others on this thread, so you're not alone! I know exactly what you mean when you say you wake up emotionally and mentally exhausted. I wish I had any idea of how to help, but here I lay very tired and having to go to work in a few hours and scared to go to sleep cause I know how hard it will be to wake up 🙁 sending you all the best my friend, hopefully the powers that be will deliver us a solution someday

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Hello, I'm wondering if you have got any useful answer to help you get better rest.
Also, I read that with epic dreaming disorder, dreams are often banal everyday activities, is that your case as well?

I am a female in her 20s and I relate to basically all of the symptoms you describe. Except that most if not all of my dreams are very stressful, and weird catastrophic scenarios.

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Hello, I was researching this very problem I experience and found these comments, thus, I joined just to let you know (it's been a while, so hope you read this)...I have the same issue and its been my whole life, I am 60. I do take sleep meds and HBP meds, and am stressed and anxious...but this has been happening since I was a child, before meds and HBP. It could be anxiety related, don't know. I wake exhausted and I have occasionally been worried about sleeping as the dreams are so vivid. I thought it was only me for years, as other people seem rested by sleep 😴 thanks for sharing your story, you are definitely not alone! Blessings!

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i've never heard of this. but there is a lot of new things being discovered now. just curious if this happens more with women than men. unfortunately women are under more stress than men. IJDK. good luck to you ALL.

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If I take antihistamines, I dream a lot and can dream some crazy stuff. One dream after the other. They all run together. This happens especially if I take Zyrtec for allergies. Not so much so if I am not on an antihistamine. I just read that a lot of popular medications from antihistamines, beta-blockers and antidepressants have been known to cause nightmares. They interrupt the natural REM and nonREM sleep cycles. Blessings to all.

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