ACNES, Abdominal Cutaneous Nerve Entrapment Syndrome

Posted by leet3415 @leet3415, Mar 28, 2019

Hi. Quick back story. In Nov 2018 I had sharp pain in the top middle of my abdomen right below my sternum. Pain level 10 of 10. They thought it was my gallbladder, had it removed. Still had pain. multiple ER visits, hospitalized 2-3 times for a week each, 20 plus doctor appointments, over 100K spent in medical costs billed to my insurance.
As a last resort, went to Mayo and was diagnosed in under 30 minutes.

In January 2019 had my first trigger point injection, just had my 2nd injection March 2019. Still in a lot of pain. Taking gabapentin as well. **Has anyone else been diagnosed with this AND what are the symptoms & treatments you are receiving? Are you finding any relief?**

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@sunny32553

We were looking at this video yesterday. I realize by researching that the Carnetts test is what he needs, yes, but how do you get a doctor to do it? They don't want you telling them what to do.....I will take any advice given
Diane Anderson

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There is a doctor in Utah of Nevada who surgically treat ACNES but cutting you open is required. I was fortunate to find Dr Thomas Gillespie at St Joseph's Medical Center who cured me via Robotic Laparoscopically. Virtually no down time - amazing. Went home that afternoon cured.

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Where is St. Josephs medical Center?

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Two days after a long airplane trip from San Francisco to Amsterdam I started to suffer from nearly unbearable Right Lower Quadrant very focal pelvic pain. In my reports to all doctors, I always referred to the focal pain as "from my umbilicus 30 Degrees to the right and 2 to 2.5" down.

When I returned to SFO a week later, I began a 12-year journey of PAIN, severe weight loss, a year in bed, no ability to sit or stand, and a plethora of doctors in a rush, surgeons who made terrible misdiagnoses, psychiatrists, pain specialists, and "red herrings."

Six pelvic surgeries, several totally unneeded, because of one surgeon's rushed and irresponsible diagnosis: I went through a total hysterectomy because this surgeon hastily diagnosed me with severe endometriosis (in a 67-year old woman with no gynecological issues ever), called in another doctor to "also immediately confirm" his own diagnosis, and then not taking biopsies, The Golden Rule! How wrong he was!

During the hysterectomy, the OB/GYN surgeon from another hospital, did take biopsies, which all turned out to be India Ink Tattoo spots, no endometriosis whatsoever. The India Ink Tattoos were left in my intestine during several endoscopies and balloon-enteroscopies. Somehow, they were scattered all through my pelvis. In several official NIH articles, they published how India Ink spots can mimic endometriosis, hence the importance of taking biopsies.

Additionally, I suffered through colonoscopies, enteroscopies, resection of my intestine, cystoscopies, hernia surgery, many Xrays, CTs, Ultrasounds, MRIs, and the eternal blood and urine tests.

Doctors quickly put me on heavy narcotics: Fentanyl, Hydrocodone, Percacet, Morphine, Gabapentin, Losartin (the pain increased my BP dramatically, and Duloxetine (against severe depression.) Heavy medications make it easier for the doctors but not for the patient.

As a result I lost a high-paying job in an excellent computer company after a year of sick leave, during which they were very good to me. I could not travel anymore, we barely went out, and the first years of my retirement, which should have been lovely after 45 years of working, became home-stays.

Because of an article in the Washington Post recently, I found a retired doctor who was featured in one of the medical stories. I was able to contact him through the WP, to whom I had sent my story, asking to get in contact with this surgeon.

This surgeon, a wonderful human being, gave me ample time over the phone, nearly daily internet communications, asking me many questions, having me fill out a critical questionnaire on visceral abdominal versus abdominal wall pain, and finally carefully narrowing down all the knowledge of my twelve-year pain journey to the condition of ACNES. Unbelievable, but true. Two surgeons during the past 12 years had this solution in their hands but did not finish their quest.

This coming Thursday, I will see a pain specialist who has agreed to do an abdominal wall injection with lidocaine and possibly cortizone. I am extremely confident (based on similar injections in the past (but without medical follow-up) that ACNES has been the cause of all my pain and suffering over the past twelve years. If the injection once again is positive, I plan to contact Dr. Gillespie in Phoenix, the expert mentioned in many of the previous patients' notes.

My advice: Be your own advocate, investigate, look for other people's experiences, and never, never give up! On our own, we are small. As a community, we are strong.

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One more small addition:
During my PAIN journey, I contacted the Mayo Clinic to see if they could perform a "Conscious Pain Mapping" procedure on me. I faxed all the information they requested to them (about fifty pages), including a letter from my PC doctor, only to hear two weeks later I no longer qualified for the procedure as I had gone through a hysterectomy. It was devastating!

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@daisy4

Two days after a long airplane trip from San Francisco to Amsterdam I started to suffer from nearly unbearable Right Lower Quadrant very focal pelvic pain. In my reports to all doctors, I always referred to the focal pain as "from my umbilicus 30 Degrees to the right and 2 to 2.5" down.

When I returned to SFO a week later, I began a 12-year journey of PAIN, severe weight loss, a year in bed, no ability to sit or stand, and a plethora of doctors in a rush, surgeons who made terrible misdiagnoses, psychiatrists, pain specialists, and "red herrings."

Six pelvic surgeries, several totally unneeded, because of one surgeon's rushed and irresponsible diagnosis: I went through a total hysterectomy because this surgeon hastily diagnosed me with severe endometriosis (in a 67-year old woman with no gynecological issues ever), called in another doctor to "also immediately confirm" his own diagnosis, and then not taking biopsies, The Golden Rule! How wrong he was!

During the hysterectomy, the OB/GYN surgeon from another hospital, did take biopsies, which all turned out to be India Ink Tattoo spots, no endometriosis whatsoever. The India Ink Tattoos were left in my intestine during several endoscopies and balloon-enteroscopies. Somehow, they were scattered all through my pelvis. In several official NIH articles, they published how India Ink spots can mimic endometriosis, hence the importance of taking biopsies.

Additionally, I suffered through colonoscopies, enteroscopies, resection of my intestine, cystoscopies, hernia surgery, many Xrays, CTs, Ultrasounds, MRIs, and the eternal blood and urine tests.

Doctors quickly put me on heavy narcotics: Fentanyl, Hydrocodone, Percacet, Morphine, Gabapentin, Losartin (the pain increased my BP dramatically, and Duloxetine (against severe depression.) Heavy medications make it easier for the doctors but not for the patient.

As a result I lost a high-paying job in an excellent computer company after a year of sick leave, during which they were very good to me. I could not travel anymore, we barely went out, and the first years of my retirement, which should have been lovely after 45 years of working, became home-stays.

Because of an article in the Washington Post recently, I found a retired doctor who was featured in one of the medical stories. I was able to contact him through the WP, to whom I had sent my story, asking to get in contact with this surgeon.

This surgeon, a wonderful human being, gave me ample time over the phone, nearly daily internet communications, asking me many questions, having me fill out a critical questionnaire on visceral abdominal versus abdominal wall pain, and finally carefully narrowing down all the knowledge of my twelve-year pain journey to the condition of ACNES. Unbelievable, but true. Two surgeons during the past 12 years had this solution in their hands but did not finish their quest.

This coming Thursday, I will see a pain specialist who has agreed to do an abdominal wall injection with lidocaine and possibly cortizone. I am extremely confident (based on similar injections in the past (but without medical follow-up) that ACNES has been the cause of all my pain and suffering over the past twelve years. If the injection once again is positive, I plan to contact Dr. Gillespie in Phoenix, the expert mentioned in many of the previous patients' notes.

My advice: Be your own advocate, investigate, look for other people's experiences, and never, never give up! On our own, we are small. As a community, we are strong.

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I have a similar story after 18 years of pain, hundreds of test and gall bladder removal. I found my diagnosis on this sight (Mesenteric Artery Ligament Syndrome) and flew 2,400 miles to an experienced surgeon to have surgery. He cleared up the mals but damage to abdominal nerves were already done. I have had one trigger point injection but it only lasted two weeks. I’m 68 and it’s been a long and discouraging journey. I hope you have found answers.

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I so understand your discouragement. It weighs heavily on you. We have invisible illnesses, and since the present healthcare system is so focused on revenue, doctors get 15 minutes for a diagnosis.

I want to help you. How can we get in contact with each other?

Kindly,

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@sunny32553

Where is St. Josephs medical Center?

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Phoenix AZ

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@jgroudan

I was diagnosed approximately March of 2021. Pain unbearable. Recommended to top gall bladder surgeon and after 10 minutes told me it was not the gallbladder but that I was suffering from abdominal cutaneous nerve entrapment. He sent me to a pain clinic. 1st shot worked but not even for a day. 3 more shots no relief. By, I believe, I found a surgeon at St Joseph's Medical Center in Phoenix. He performed, as an out patient) robotic laparoscopic surgery severing my T8, T9 and T10 abdominal nerves. Left hospital a 4pm CURED. Of course some soreness from the cutting. Me email is jgroudan@cox.net if you have any questions. Jeff

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What do they do to see if you have acnes?

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Carnett test (on YouTube) Then trigger point shots to area. If any temporary relief most likely ACNES. Then submit results to physician who performs this procedure. I was fortunate to find Dr Thomas Gillespie who is only surgeon that performs this robotically.

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@lasirvent

What do they do to see if you have acnes?

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Since I cannot publish a link or URL on this website, ask online for Abdominal Wall Pain Questionnaire. Go to Table 3. This strategic questionnaire that can differentiate between visceral (inside the abdomen) versus abdominal wall pain. Fill out the questionnaire without looking at the answers which will give you a point. If you score 10 or more points, there is a very high level of confidence that you are suffering from ACNES.

Stay strong!

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