overwhelmed by so much (often conflicting) info on natural approaches

Posted by swuelfing1 @swuelfing1, Dec 3, 2023

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone else feels overwhelmed when researching what to do about dealing with osteoporosis naturally. There is so much good info out there which is great. It's just that often it gets sooo detailed such as in the area of supplements that it gets confusing or just overwhelming to decide what to do and narrow it down to a feasible plan. Also there are certain topics that there's controversy about - like yes/no on dairy, if dairy then which dairy, oxylates?, correct exercise? correct supplements, too much calcium? As you research you find several very credible and trustworthy resources who still disagree on so many topics. You could endlessly research and go down rabbitholes on every topic. Has anyone figured out any strategies to keep things manageable and decide what to do?

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@vgkime

Yes, I have also been working with a physical therapist towards building up to the Liftmor exercises. However, she warns against doing the Liftmor exercises on my own so Im interested in what you are doing with a personal trainer. Is it one on one? For how many times a week and for how long a session? Not sure I could afford that. My PT is covered by medicare but only for a specific time. She is suggesting going to a gym and using the machines instead after I am up to lifting 25 pounds, but I would prefer using a trainer instead if it was affordable. Any advice or thoughts? Thanks!

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I meet with her once a week and she designs my program and we work out. I work out 2 other days without her. Right now the program has focused on a full body workout with increasing weights and we are gradually moving into incorporating the deadlifts, squats, overhead presses and pull up/jumps. She is spending a lot of time teaching me proper technique.
When I am fully in the LIFTMOR protocol i will work out with my husband on those off days as he is quite knowledgeable and goes to the gym most days.

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@swuelfing1

Love that you are working with a trainer to do the LIFTMOR exercises. That sounds like the best weight-bearing exercise plan if you are able to work up to it. For those with either more severe t-scores or whose physical condition prevents rigorous weight training and jumping, OsteoStrong gyms offer a safe and super-effective bone-loading exercise. There are a couple hundred or so around the US and more around the world.

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I’ve read pro and con about Osteo Strong and would be interested in actually going to a facility. The nearest one is a couple hour drive from me.

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@jasperina

I’ve read pro and con about Osteo Strong and would be interested in actually going to a facility. The nearest one is a couple hour drive from me.

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I am lucky to have one near me and i've been going about 4 months. It seems safe with tight supervision on the machines. The members seem happy and many say they've increased bone density. Of course most of them are also following the proper nutrition and supplementation advice too.

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@jasperina

I’ve read pro and con about Osteo Strong and would be interested in actually going to a facility. The nearest one is a couple hour drive from me.

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Maybe check out classes offered by Dr. Sherri Betz, PT. They're online so no need to drive 2 hours each way!
Sherri and her classes terrific! The classes are bone-safe, reasonably-priced, and based on the LIFTMOR protocol. Her beginning strength training class is on Friday mornings. https://www.drsherribetz.com/virtual-pilates

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@jasperina

I meet with her once a week and she designs my program and we work out. I work out 2 other days without her. Right now the program has focused on a full body workout with increasing weights and we are gradually moving into incorporating the deadlifts, squats, overhead presses and pull up/jumps. She is spending a lot of time teaching me proper technique.
When I am fully in the LIFTMOR protocol i will work out with my husband on those off days as he is quite knowledgeable and goes to the gym most days.

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Thank you!

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@tetris

Maybe check out classes offered by Dr. Sherri Betz, PT. They're online so no need to drive 2 hours each way!
Sherri and her classes terrific! The classes are bone-safe, reasonably-priced, and based on the LIFTMOR protocol. Her beginning strength training class is on Friday mornings. https://www.drsherribetz.com/virtual-pilates

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Thanks!

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@naturegirl5

@swuelfing1 Thank you for posting this. I’ve been thinking about this topic too.

I heard an excellent show yesterday on the radio on Nutrition and Health where the experts discussed the use of supplements for a variety of health conditions. Osteoporosis came up in the discussion. The consensus was this. Start with one’s diet. Try to get as much vitamins and minerals as required from your diet. The viewpoint was not to start with supplements but rather start with your diet. And then for osteoporosis (and heart disease as they came up in the radio program) figure out the exercise you need.

I tried for about 8 years to manage my osteoporosis with diet and exercise. I continued to lose bone density and so finally decided to go with medication. I was on Fosamax for 5 years and along with keeping up with diet and exercise I did gain bone density. Unfortunately, that was somewhat “undone” when I needed to address cancer recurrence (endometrial cancer) through radiation therapy. I lost some bone density through pelvic radiation which the radiation oncologist warned me about. I had a fracture in the sacrum. So now, with the advice of my Mayo Clinic endocrinologist, I’m on Evenity for 12 months.

The information on so-called natural approaches is conflicting. I think the best I can do is to talk with my doctors, the nutritionist, and do my own research. Then make a decision on what works best for me. For me, completely avoiding the use of osteoporosis medications by trying to go all natural just didn’t work as evidenced by the sacral fracture.

Which way are you leaning?

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Same,
“ natural” was not enough

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@cpd54

I did reverse osteopenia without drugs. It takes concentrated effort and attention though. But that was years ago and I have gotten slack in my efforts.
Now I have osteoporosis. I am
working with a functional medicine doctor to manage it without medicine ( I’ve had 3 doctors tell me not to take the drugs, one of them being a orthopedic surgeon). I have a list of amounts of vitamins and minerals to get daily, as many as possible from diet.
What ever route you take, please take K2 in the form of MK7. It’s what keeps calcium from going to your arteries, put simplistically.

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Dr. McCormick's OsteoStim product states "• Vitamin K2-MK4 is not only the form of vitamin K2 that has been the most researched, but it also has been shown to be the only form of vitamin K able to activate a critical step in collagen formation not seen with K1 or K2-MK7. "

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@vgkime

Yes, I have also been working with a physical therapist towards building up to the Liftmor exercises. However, she warns against doing the Liftmor exercises on my own so Im interested in what you are doing with a personal trainer. Is it one on one? For how many times a week and for how long a session? Not sure I could afford that. My PT is covered by medicare but only for a specific time. She is suggesting going to a gym and using the machines instead after I am up to lifting 25 pounds, but I would prefer using a trainer instead if it was affordable. Any advice or thoughts? Thanks!

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@vgkime I went to physical therapy after I had a total hip replacement. The PT Assistant helped me get back into weightlifting. She advised me on form so I wouldn’t re-injure myself. That’s what was happening at the time and I couldn’t figure out what to do to avoid injuries. I then decided to work with a personal trainer where I received a discount for two months since I was referred by PT. After the discount ended I stuck with personal training. In fact, I’m headed out to work with my personal trainer in about an hour. I will say that personal training is expensive however I made the decision to continue with it to prioritize my health. When I look at the cost that way I know I can afford the cost while giving up other things that aren’t health-oriented. I could go to the gym and work out on my own. I did that for many years. Working with a personal trainer keeps me focused and hitting the gym on a regular basis. No excuses as I have regular appointments. On a social level, the gym is small and everyone is very friendly.

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@loplady

Dr. McCormick's OsteoStim product states "• Vitamin K2-MK4 is not only the form of vitamin K2 that has been the most researched, but it also has been shown to be the only form of vitamin K able to activate a critical step in collagen formation not seen with K1 or K2-MK7. "

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I actually take both MK4 and MK7. Different doctors say different things. I agree with McCormick and his books have been a tremendous help to me on my no osteoporosis drug journey, but I’m always a tad skeptical about someone’s claims when they are selling a product.

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