Began folfirinox treatment - have a few questions

Posted by lisn @lisn, Sep 16, 2023

My husband started his folfirinox regimen on Tuesday. I'm thinking that Tuesday is counted as day 1?

Many thanks to all who've posted information about what to expect. During the irinotectan, I noticed he was clearing his throat excessively, and he spoke up because he started to feel very warm. They stopped it immediately and gave him Atropine. The nurse was happy he spoke up when he did, because she said it was definitely a reaction, and what was going to happen next was stomach pain and distress.

Wednesday was the first full day with the pump (day 2?), and he had the pump disconnected Thursday afternoon (day 3?) By the time we got home Thursday, he was exhausted. He was very tired Friday (day 4?). Today, Saturday (day 5?), He says he feels off, tired and achy. I think this is normal from what I've read.

I'm also wondering if I'm counting the days correctly. If I have, then I'm thinking that he may start feeling a little bit more like himself starting tomorrow?

Thank you.

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@ncteacher

Wow! Congratulations! I'm now at 70 after 10 rounds of Folfirinox. I'm hoping to reach normal range, while realizing that scans show the tumor is still there and I'm not cured or NED by any standard. In my case, my oncologist is discussing maintenance chemo, depending on what new scans and CA 19-9 show. I would be interested in sharing ideas on that. He mentioned three possibilities--Lynparza (olaparib, a PARP inhibitor, which is approved for BRCA mutations but not my ATM mutation), continued 5FU pump (but no other chemo drugs), and some other oral med (my notes are unfortunately sketchy). No radiation treatment because of the small-volume lesions outside of the main tumor, and no surgery or Whipple because of blood vessel involvement. What has your MD discussed with you?

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My MD has not discussed any maintenance possibilities for me at this time. My cancer is wrapped around one vein- they are thinking they could possibly remake a section of vein if needed, during the Whipple.

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@ncteacher

Wow! Congratulations! I'm now at 70 after 10 rounds of Folfirinox. I'm hoping to reach normal range, while realizing that scans show the tumor is still there and I'm not cured or NED by any standard. In my case, my oncologist is discussing maintenance chemo, depending on what new scans and CA 19-9 show. I would be interested in sharing ideas on that. He mentioned three possibilities--Lynparza (olaparib, a PARP inhibitor, which is approved for BRCA mutations but not my ATM mutation), continued 5FU pump (but no other chemo drugs), and some other oral med (my notes are unfortunately sketchy). No radiation treatment because of the small-volume lesions outside of the main tumor, and no surgery or Whipple because of blood vessel involvement. What has your MD discussed with you?

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They told me if the cancer was wrapped around an artery, I would not be able to have surgery.

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@katiegrace

My MD has not discussed any maintenance possibilities for me at this time. My cancer is wrapped around one vein- they are thinking they could possibly remake a section of vein if needed, during the Whipple.

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@katiegrace, am I correct in understanding? You are having chemo before surgery, which will increase the chances that the tumor will be operable. This is a treatment approach developed at Mayo Clinic and now widely practised.

You might be interested in this article:
- A revolution in pancreatic cancer treatment https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/a-revolution-in-pancreatic-cancer-treatment/

Do you have a date for your surgery?

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@colleenyoung

@katiegrace, am I correct in understanding? You are having chemo before surgery, which will increase the chances that the tumor will be operable. This is a treatment approach developed at Mayo Clinic and now widely practised.

You might be interested in this article:
- A revolution in pancreatic cancer treatment https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/a-revolution-in-pancreatic-cancer-treatment/

Do you have a date for your surgery?

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Yes, the plan is 12 chemo treatments. 1 treatment every two weeks ( every other week). After the 12 treatments, then 1 month of rest, then the Whipple surgery. The surgery isn't scheduled yet. If chemo isn't delayed, surgery should be sometime after first week of Feb 2024. I will have my 7th chemo this Thurs.
Thank you for the article.

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Hi, @lisn. I had 8 rounds of Folfirinox, from April thru August of this year with an unintended three-week gap in late May-early June. Although everyone's experience is different, I'm sharing mine in case it's of use.

-- I too needed atropine with irinotecan; without atropine, I had stomach distress and bowel urgency. I didn't have any ill effects from the atropine.
-- Irin. also made me develop post-nasal drip for a few hours; it made my eyelids twitch during the infusion; and after a few infusions, irin. also caused short-term, intermittent spasming of my hands (a few ours to a couple of days).

-- My fatigue "schedule" was:
......... Felt worn out on Day 1 (infusion day).
......... Felt reasonably OK on Days 2 and 3 *but* didn't get much done because I was attached to the pump for all of 2 and part of 3.
......... Felt pretty good on Day 4.
......... Felt awful on Days 5 and 6: fatigue, nausea, no appetite, diarrhea. @markymarkfl, who is very helpful and knowledgeable, suggested that taking a steroid on Days 1, 2, and 3 could be the reason for this pattern. Days 5 and 6 were always my worst.
......... Felt a bit better on Day 7 and a bit better still on Day 8. During the 1st few infusions, I felt good on Days 9-14 and was productive.

****** Please note ***** that chemo is cumulative, meaning that the side effects could become more intense with each infusion (mine did) and that the number of bad days could increase with each infusion (mine did -- with my final two infusions, I had zero good days, although I wasn't _miserable_ for all 14). That said, I'm very glad that I took Folfirinox (my CA19-9 dropped a lot), and I'd take it again if necessary.

Good luck and best wishes.

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@lisn

I'm so happy that your husband's final treatment is Tuesday!

Today is day 6, and he's still not feeling like himself. He's got some intestinal cramps, but bowel movements are normal. He said if he still has them tomorrow he's going to reach out to the team.

Regarding the notebook, thanks for mentioning that. I had started jotting down notes from what I was observing each day. I'm going to keep going with that and see what's helpful.

The saline has been mentioned several times, and is on my list for discussion next week.

Thank you.

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With regard to keeping notes: Because I'm almost surgically attached to my laptop, I use it to keep track of
(1) when I've taken which meds, and
(2) which side effects I'm having, and how much I've eaten / drunk.

I do #1 via folders (click on image below) because they take up no space on the hard drive, can be created instantly, can be searched, and are so small that I can look at several days' data at once; I do #2 in a txt file that I keep open most of the time so I can easily enter the info.

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@lisn

We have found a remedy for the taste he's been complaining about! As time went on, he started to feel that it was a chemical taste and it was present all day, beginning with eating breakfast and going through the day. I saw on the MSK website that they had several mouth rinse suggestions. What's working for him is the baking soda and water rinse throughout the day. It seems to neutralize the chemical taste.

Unfortunately though, he still has persistent nausea up until day 12. He had a vertigo attack yesterday and the physical therapist suggested that he pre-medicate for his next follow up appointment with an anti nausea medication. She recommended Zofran. His oncologist agreed to prescribe it because the Reglan that he's been taking is not working.

I'm hoping that he'll get some much needed relief from the Zofran.

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Regarding nausea: I had good results with generic Zofran and generic Phenergan. The latter made me tired, so it was also helpful for overnight. And, the instrux were to stagger the drugs -- that if Zofran didn't last the full 8 hours (it didn't), I was allowed to take Phenergan at hour 6 or so.

My onc. initially wrote for generic Zofran and generic Compazine; the latter is well-known as an anti-nausea drug.

I'm too tired to look up the generic names, but drugs(dot)com is a very helpful website for such stuff, including side effects. Good luck.

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@rfherald

How do I find or identify a "center of excellence?" Who lays that title on the center and what is their criteria?

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One more link for centers of exc. (and another useful site overall):
https://pancreasfoundation.org/patient-resources/npf-centers-of-excellence/

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Thank you. It's good to know there a COE nearby and my oncologist has an affiliation with one of them.

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@jk77

Regarding nausea: I had good results with generic Zofran and generic Phenergan. The latter made me tired, so it was also helpful for overnight. And, the instrux were to stagger the drugs -- that if Zofran didn't last the full 8 hours (it didn't), I was allowed to take Phenergan at hour 6 or so.

My onc. initially wrote for generic Zofran and generic Compazine; the latter is well-known as an anti-nausea drug.

I'm too tired to look up the generic names, but drugs(dot)com is a very helpful website for such stuff, including side effects. Good luck.

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Thanks for your reply.
Unfortunately, he's unable to continue with the Zofran due to the side effects (he was having breathing difficulties in addition to some of the other side effects). The nurse practitioner prescribed Ativan. He didn't start that yet since he's concerned about the side effects. Both the oncologist and the nurse practitioner are aware that he's extremely sensitive to most medications. Right now, he's of the mindset of dealing with the nausea which he's used to vs the risk of taking a new medication and what unknown side effects he might have. We're hoping that the vestibular issues he's still having from the vertigo attack resolve soon because on top of the nausea, he's still having motion sickness when turning over and when getting out of bed.

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