Can PMR (Polymyalgia Rheumatica) be induced by vaccine?
Good evening, I’ve recently been diagnosed with PMR. It came on a week after my flu shot October 23, 2020.
Has anyone experienced the same diagnosis after a flu shot?
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I'm not sure about the vaccines used in Australia, but here is a link to COVID vaccine info/ingredients for the CDC (US):https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/overview-COVID-19-vaccines.html
Thank you for that. It appears to have been updated and includes an example warning about a couple of ingredients, perhaps as a result of some adverse reactions. It would be more helpful if the ingredients list, along with warnings about possible adverse reactions to any of the ingredients, was provided at the time the vaccine was booked, in the same way that full ingredients lists for any supplement or medication are given before the product is consumed. The trouble is that most people don't know which chemicals they have an adverse reaction to till after they've had the reaction, and most people won't connect the reaction to a particular ingredient.
Are you on Prednisone at this time?
Are you on Prednisone now?
There is currently no evidence that vaccinations cause the onset of PMR or other autoimmune conditions. There is evidence that environmental, even seasonal, factors play a roll with possible genetic influences. This comes from both my primary care and rheumatology physicians who I trust implicitly. Do people develop PMR post vaccination? Absolutely. But the same can be said for development after taking a vacation. This does not indicate relevance. Vaccinations are important, especially for those in high risk categories. . If you choose to ignore current science you do so at great risk. My position as a PMR patient is until medical science says otherwise I will remain vaccinated for both flu and Covid. The risk of doing otherwise is simply too great.
I had flare ups of PMR twice after COVID boosters. Never after a flu shot. Both times I slid out of my bed (which is too soft). I was alone and in the second case on the floor for 6 hours. I had subacute onset of muscle pain and weakness. After 6 hours I had no strength. The next day I could walk ok. Pain lasted about a week. Got short course pred. Told not to take Covid vax again. Too bad because I have lung disease and am 74 but lying helpless on the floor that long was terrifying. I have seen other reports of PMR flare after Covid vac. Protect yourself!
You have mentioned before that there is "no evidence" that vaccinations cause PMR or other autoimmune conditions. Yes, there is evidence. Stimulating immunity by vaccination, infection or something your body reacts to can definitely prompt an autoimmune response in some people, involving sudden onset joint pain.
Here is another well referenced source from the US National Library of Medicine:
"Considering that the patients with new arthritis in this systematic review have been vaccinated with COVID-19 vaccine for a period of time (mostly within a week), and how their mechanisms correlate with the pathogenesis of these diseases, it is speculated that there may be a certain relationship between COVID-19 vaccination and the triggering of arthritis. Clinicians should raise awareness of this complication with a view to early diagnosis and appropriate treatment, and further monitoring of the long-term prognosis of the disease is needed."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10055862/
P.S. I have no interest in trying to talk anyone out of vaccinations. Everyone should assess their own risks and protect themselves depending on their individual circumstances. Generally I'm pro-vaccination, but I don't like to see anyone's lived experience of sudden onset joint pain and its cause invalidated.
Incorrect. First, there are two studies indicating a link between vacinations and PMR and autoimmune disease. Two, there is reportedly like or no reporting of this "coincidence". My doctor never reported my PMR started one week after my flu shot, yet there is a study stating 9.2% of patients had an autoimmune response after vacination and the flu shot was the most common denominator. Here's the irony: (1) we are told no two people are exactly alike; but (2) it is assumed everyone will have the same reaction to a vaccine. I was told the extra dose flu shot was "perfectly safe". NO one can say that, yet they do.
@joan7 Your disease progression is remarkably similar to mine. I'm 64 years old, male, northern European descent.
I had what I think was Covid-19 in January 2020 (not tested), was also sick for about 2 months, and also never felt 100% again. It left me in a permanently reduced energy state. I could exercise and be active, but I has to much more carefully manage my energy.
I had Moderna vaccines as well, multiple doses starting in March 2021.
PMR started on January 14, 2023, and it was very severe, with excruciating pain 24/7 that felt like multiple bones were broken in my body, extraordinarily high levels of inflammation (10x higher than most with PMR), severe night sweats, fever, nausea, weight loss, headache, episodes of double vision,... The initial treatment, started 3 weeks later, of 20 mg/day of Prednisone was inadequate. After an emergency room visit on March 2, 2023, due to double vision, the ER doctors upped the dosage to 60 mg/mg. This was continued for about 5 weeks, after which weekly injections of Actemra (tocilizumab) were introduced and tapering of the Prednisone started.
The Actemra shots have been very effective with no relapses and my inflammation scores too low to measure.
I am now (10/7/23) down to 1 mg/day of Prednisone, and will discontinue in it another 2 week. The weekly shots of Actemra will probably continue for another year...