PSA after 20 Proton treatments

Posted by brentbackus @brentbackus, Jul 27, 2023

My PSA has now dropped to 1.99 after my 20 proton treatments which ended in May 2023. At the highest PSA was 10. I was diagnosed with PC back in March of 2022 with a Gleason score of 3 +4. Was it only the proton treatments or the use of my repurposed drugs and the proton treatments that dropped my PSA?

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My 4+3 with pre proton therapy PSA of 8.1 is now 1.2 15 months post radiation.
Readings were 2.7, 2.3, 4.9, 1.7 and 1.2. No hormone therapy.

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@melcanada

What ADT ?
I was on and still am on Zolodex with no issues In Jan 23 added Xtandi no issues PSA 1.7 Xgeva for bones as L1 radiated but returned in L2 in Jan

Had prostate radiated in 2017 40 days Zolodex for a year No issues

78 feel great

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I am 14 years younger than you. I had proton therapy about three years ago and six months of Lupron treatment. Lupron destroyed me I could barely walk and it was a challenge finding the energy to get out of bed..
All the drugs you quoted work by lowering your testosterone. Some day I may have no choice but ADT but that is the day I start shopping for a Nursing Home.

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@narus

I am 14 years younger than you. I had proton therapy about three years ago and six months of Lupron treatment. Lupron destroyed me I could barely walk and it was a challenge finding the energy to get out of bed..
All the drugs you quoted work by lowering your testosterone. Some day I may have no choice but ADT but that is the day I start shopping for a Nursing Home.

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No affect with Zolodex Feel OK and I have Mets to the spine L2 L1 T10 11
Plus on Xtandi and Xgeva
Trying Turkeyt Tail Mushrooms for immune feel gretaer
http://www.realmushrooms.com

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My cancer never spread out of the prostate and my PSA is like .16. I am also on testosterone replacement therapy for over a year. I lift weights and exercise regularly and have lost 60 lbs over a year on the Carnivore diet.
I feel better than I have in twenty years.

I will check out the mushrooms.

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@bandit11

My 4+3 with pre proton therapy PSA of 8.1 is now 1.2 15 months post radiation.
Readings were 2.7, 2.3, 4.9, 1.7 and 1.2. No hormone therapy.

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Is that 4.9 a typo or a “bounce”?

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@jc76

Wow the feedback on PSA after treatments is very wide. Seems the high dose lower amount of treatments comes back with lower PSA after last treatment.

I went from 3.75 to 1.2 three months after last treatment. I am told the prostrate is still very irritated and will take some time to get a base PSA to use for diagnosis graphing. My oncologist team said if you have drop of half of your PSA after 3 months is considered good. I guess my next one will be more informational as my side affects continue to improve.

But sure wish mine had came back like some posting undetectable. But 20 years ago my PSA was always .75 year after year so maybe should be more happier with a 1.2.

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My doc said a nadir of between 1 and 2 is considered a success. However, this is from Google AI Bard. Keep in mind that the answers given are not always correct. Given the numbers people here at 12 months post radiation are quoting, between 1.0 and 2.0 seems a common nadir.

“There is no single "normal" PSA level after proton beam therapy (PBRT) for prostate cancer. PSA levels can vary widely from person to person, and even from day to day. However, most men who achieve a PSA nadir (lowest level) of 0.2 ng/mL or less after PBRT can expect to remain disease-free.

A PSA nadir of 0.2 ng/mL or less is considered a good PSA level after PBRT. However, some men may have PSA levels that are slightly higher than this and still remain disease-free. Conversely, some men may have PSA levels that are lower than 0.2 ng/mL and still experience a recurrence of prostate cancer.

Other factors that can affect PSA levels after PBRT include:

The stage and grade of the prostate cancer before treatment
The total dose of radiation delivered
The type of radiation therapy used (PBRT or external beam radiation therapy)
The presence of other medical conditions
It is important to discuss your PSA levels with your doctor after PBRT to determine what is considered a good PSA level for you. Your doctor will also monitor your PSA levels over time to look for any signs of recurrence.

If your PSA level rises above 1 ng/mL or 2 ng/mL above your nadir, your doctor may recommend further testing, such as a prostate biopsy, to determine if the cancer has returned.

Here are some general guidelines for PSA levels after PBRT:

PSA nadir of 0.2 ng/mL or less: Good PSA level, most men with this level will remain disease-free.
PSA nadir of 0.2-1 ng/mL: Acceptable PSA level, some men with this level may remain disease-free, but others may experience a recurrence of prostate cancer.
PSA nadir above 1 ng/mL: PSA level that may warrant further testing and monitoring.
It is important to note that these are just general guidelines. Your doctor will discuss your PSA levels with you individually to determine what is considered a good PSA level for you.”

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@ozelli

Is that 4.9 a typo or a “bounce”?

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Bounce

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@artistik1a

What are your post protonbeam drugs ?Did they prescribe any?

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artistik1a, Just reading these question. No drugs prior, during, after. Had some reduction in urine flow and dribbling but improved.

I had my proton treatment at University of Florida Proton Therapy Institute. My follow up PSA (just did it week ago) was done at Mayo Jacksonville. Decipher test was done at Mayo Jacksonville. PSMA was at Shands Hospital (Co located with UFPTI).

My primary care doctor who wants to monitor my PSA also orders the tests that UFPTI wants done and UFPTI can view as part of some medical sharing. For my proton treatment follow ups are done at UFPTI.

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@ozelli

My 21 treatment program finished July 13.
PSA of 17.5 on June 6.
Gleason 4+3.
I chose to forgo hormone therapy.

I had a PSA test today Sept. 29 (2 and a half months after the end of treatment) and the PSA was 4.33.
Doc said given my high baseline number, this result was decent.
He said it should go to between 1 and 2 over the next 5 to 9 months to be considered a success.

I started a new thread on this topic a few days ago not realizing that this one was quite recent. Best to keep most of info on a topic on the one thread I think. Many thanks to the people who posted on my earlier thread.

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ozelli, Did you have proton or photon?

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