Perineural or Tarlov cysts

Posted by jenapower @jenapower, May 23, 2017

Hi, my name is Jennifer. I have commented on here before but I've never started a post. I have been told that I have fibromyalgia for a long time, I also have had a number of accidents with many broken bones and surgeries to put things back together. All of this has resulted in chronic pain, most of it is down my head/back/pelvis/spine and legs. In an effort to try to see more my doctor did a lumbar and pelvic MRI last week. Turns out I have a cyst on my spine called a perineural or Tarlov cyst. It's basically assistant starts at the nerve root and herniates out filling with spinal fluid. I guess there's like a leak from your spine to this cyst but the system itself is made up of nerves. It's the best of my understanding at this point. Mine is at the S2 location, and can cause pain from your back down your bottom and down your legs and includes some pretty severe headaches because it's upsetting the pressure of the spinal fluid around the brain. Again this is the best of my understanding of what I've been told. It certainly explains a lot of my symptoms that have been contributed to fibromyalgia and broken bones. Again they're not really sure what causes them but they think trauma in that area could be a contributor. I just wondered if anyone else had heard of this or experienced it. It is considered rare, i've come to find out there are only two doctors in the United States to do surgery on it. One of them that's all he does and he actually goes to other countries to help people that don't have access to a doctor that is experienced in this surgery. It's a long recovery and pretty scary surgery because they're messing with your new or nerve root I don't want to think about what the bad consequences could be although I know I have to. I think I've gotten to a point where I'm pretty much flat on my back every day and it's no life, so I'm actually happy to have an answer. If anybody else knows anything about this I would love to hear it or has any experience with the surgery.
Thank you, Jennifer

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A small Tarlov cyst was recently identified on my S2 nerve root. Though small, many of my ongoing nerve pain symptoms correlate with their possible symptoms. My neurosurgeon acknowledged the possibility and is researching treatments. I possibly have other lumbosacral nerve involvement.

I found a number of past entries, most from 2018 and 2019, from members with Tarlov cysts and their treatment efforts. If you are still members, could you update us on treatments, successful and not successful, and where your journey to restore health has taken you. Thank you.

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A small Tarlov cyst was recently identified on my S2 nerve root. Though small, many of my ongoing nerve pain symptoms correlate with their possible symptoms. My neurosurgeon acknowledged the possibility and is researching treatments. I possibly have other lumbosacral nerve involvement.

I found a number of past entries, most from 2018 and 2019, from members with Tarlov cysts and their treatment efforts. If you are still members, could you update us on treatments, successful and not successful, and where your journey to restore health has taken you. Thank you.

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@westcom Here are a couple other discussions where members are talking about treatment for Tarlov Cysts where you may be able to Connect with others.

Recovery After Surgery for Tarlov Cyst What to Expect
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/recovery-after-surgery-for-tarlov-cyst-what-to-expect/
Perineural or Tarlov Cysts
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/perineural-or-tarlov-cysts/

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A small Tarlov cyst was recently identified on my S2 nerve root. Though small, many of my ongoing nerve pain symptoms correlate with their possible symptoms. My neurosurgeon acknowledged the possibility and is researching treatments. I possibly have other lumbosacral nerve involvement.

I found a number of past entries, most from 2018 and 2019, from members with Tarlov cysts and their treatment efforts. If you are still members, could you update us on treatments, successful and not successful, and where your journey to restore health has taken you. Thank you.

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Hello @westcom. I wanted to bring you into one of those existing discussions on Tarlov Cysts so you will notice that I have moved your post here:
- Perineural or Tarlov cysts: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/perineural-or-tarlov-cysts/

I did this to allow you to more easily connect with members who have previously shared their experiences and learn any updates. Members such as @tkdesign @kathy5645 @mmcelman @docb99 and @ga29 may be able to come back and share more.

When do you plan to consult on treatment options with your neurosurgeon?

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Thank you; I have read some of the prior posts but most are not current. Hence why I wanted to reach out for any current updates. I will be consulting with my neurosurgeon soon along with gynecologist and pain management doctor.

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There are only a few doctors that treat TCs surgically in the US. Dr Feigenbaum in Texas and Dr. Schott in CA take Medicare I believe if you're on disability. Dr. F will do a free consult by phone if you send him your MRI and fill out some questionnaires. I've delayed having mine treated due to having so many other health issues. The surgery has a long recovery period and outcomes are mixed. I've lived with TCs for over 10 years, and can feel for you. It's no fun and it's so frustrating how most neurosurgeons, neurologists, orthopedic surgeons have no clue what to do or what pain these cysts can cause. Dr. F has videos to take a peak at on YouTube also.

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Thank you for your reply and information. It confirms what I’ve researched. I will look for Dr F’s You Tube videos. I wish you some relief.

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Thank you for your reply and information. It confirms what I’ve researched. I will look for Dr F’s You Tube videos. I wish you some relief.

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I also was diagnosed with a Tarlov cyst at S2. My first MRI report said it was about 1.9 cm. In 2011. I had no idea what that was, and none of the doctors mentioned anything about it back then. Gradually I heard more, that it may be causing some of my low back pain. But most doctors say it’s an ‘incidental finding’, probably there since birth, things like that. I’m recovering from my second back fusion, it’s been six weeks today. I feel much better; the doctor removed hardware from the prior surgery at L4-5 and extended the fusion down L5-S1, also removing some facet joints and a disc, just cleaned up that area. It really feels better! But some pain to the lower left of this has reappeared, right where the TC is. I pray it doesn’t get worse, as that surgery has mixed results, because it’s a nerve, an aneurysm of the nerve, how do you fix that. I’ve heard only Dr. Feigenbaum in Texas and Dr. Schrot in California successfully perform this surgery, although there is one other doctor in PA I’ve heard about. I’ve read Johns Hopkins hospital has done research, looks promising. Please go online to the Tarlov Cyst website and read up on this rare condition. It’s real; although most people don’t have any symptoms, some of us do. It’s a very painful condition that no one has heard about, including most doctors, because they don’t teach it in medical school.
If you want to learn more, and talk to others with this condition, there’s a private Facebook group, do a search for it. It’s very comforting to talk with others. Some have had the surgery, others don’t but want to connect.
I wish you all the best in your search for relief!

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I also was diagnosed with a Tarlov cyst at S2. My first MRI report said it was about 1.9 cm. In 2011. I had no idea what that was, and none of the doctors mentioned anything about it back then. Gradually I heard more, that it may be causing some of my low back pain. But most doctors say it’s an ‘incidental finding’, probably there since birth, things like that. I’m recovering from my second back fusion, it’s been six weeks today. I feel much better; the doctor removed hardware from the prior surgery at L4-5 and extended the fusion down L5-S1, also removing some facet joints and a disc, just cleaned up that area. It really feels better! But some pain to the lower left of this has reappeared, right where the TC is. I pray it doesn’t get worse, as that surgery has mixed results, because it’s a nerve, an aneurysm of the nerve, how do you fix that. I’ve heard only Dr. Feigenbaum in Texas and Dr. Schrot in California successfully perform this surgery, although there is one other doctor in PA I’ve heard about. I’ve read Johns Hopkins hospital has done research, looks promising. Please go online to the Tarlov Cyst website and read up on this rare condition. It’s real; although most people don’t have any symptoms, some of us do. It’s a very painful condition that no one has heard about, including most doctors, because they don’t teach it in medical school.
If you want to learn more, and talk to others with this condition, there’s a private Facebook group, do a search for it. It’s very comforting to talk with others. Some have had the surgery, others don’t but want to connect.
I wish you all the best in your search for relief!

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GA 29: Thank you for your update. It was helpful to me and I’m sure others. I wish you a speedy recovery and better health.

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I was recently diagnosed with an “incidental” tarlov cyst at S2. Referred to a neurosurgeon who reviewed my MRI and confirmed it is a “normal tarlov cyst” and referred me back to my PCP for pain management. All of this was done without an evaluation/discussion with me directly. I quickly deducted this particular neurosurgeon simply has the belief of treating tarlov cyst's with only pain management courses. I am awaiting follow up with my PCP. I have combed through the Tarkovsky Cyst Foundation resources and am in progress of seeking a phone consultation with Dr. F. in Dallas, TX.

Has anyone ide tidied an active/current neurosurgeon with Mayo Clinic who treats tarlov cysts?

Pain management drugs is not an option for my use case as those options in my opinion are detrimental to the gut microbiome. I am an avid athlete and desire to remain active for years to come.

Seeking any assistance possible.

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Hi Barb,

Unfortunately, it's very rare to find a doctor that is willing to acknowledge that these cysts DO cause issues. They say Tarlov cysts are rare but I think there are lots of chronic pain patients out there who's issues are caused from them. I took a bad fall way back in 2003 and have never been able to stand up straight since. I've also had severe muscle spasms and sciatic pain. In June 2018 all of a sudden a slew of new symptoms popped up and have just snowballed! Just when I thought my condition couldn't get worse it got a whole lot worse! While reading one of my MRI reports I noticed that it said "Multiple Tarlov cysts found incidentally". I started asking all the doctors about them and there was only 1 that would admit that they cause issues and that is because she also had one and needed surgery. If it weren't for her I would still be a chronic pain patient. My PCP has sent me for so many tests trying to prove that it's not the cysts it's ridiculous! These things have wasted 15 years of my family's lives.

Funny you should mention issues with migraines, eyes, ears, walking and standing. I have all the same issues and they are all caused by these cysts. The migraines, eyes, and ears may be from a low pressure headache. My doctors are sending me to be tested for it now. I'm having a very hard time standing and walking because of the back/muscle spasms and the nerve pain going down my legs & into my feet. My legs are going numb from time to time too. I have a hard time even bending or putting pressure on my right leg and can't even sit on my right butt cheek because of the pain. Is this what you're going through too?

I was told that there are only 3 neurosurgeons in the U.S. that are known for treating these cysts. I just saw the one in Dallas,TX in January 2019 and am currently waiting for a surgery date. He is normally booked out for about 1 to 2 months for a consul and 3 to 4 months for surgery. I'm really afraid about the surgery but at the same time I can't imagine just continuing to get worse. I guess those are the choices.

There are 2 websites that have been most helpful and contain the most info. about Tarlov cysts but we are not allowed to put that info. on this site. I'm not able to give you my direct contact info. either. I don't get a whole lot of time on my laptop because of my pain but I'll try to check back here when I can. Hope I helped you a little. Take care!

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What were your eye symptoms?

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