Chocolate &/or sugar cravings Stage IV Pancreatic AdenenoCA

Posted by ajh5285 @ajh5285, Aug 22, 2023

Chocolate and/or sugar cravings in the setting of Stage IV Pancreatic Adenocarcinoma requiring Creon for E P I

Has anyone “cracked this nut?”

Sugar cravings were not a regular feature of my past life, although I did have I B S throughout my adult life which was well managed by my avoidance of a list of foods I had found out through personal experience I could not handle. Although it is not part of the modern paradigm of the benignity of glyphosate, I was so much less symptomatic eating only organic produce as much as possible, that I remain skeptical that glyphosate has not played a role.

Now I find that I regularly crave either a sweet or chocolate, especially in the evening after my husband’s dictated early dinner time of about 5 PM. Unfortunately neither ingesting a small ginger candy (GemGem or GinGin) nor a small portion of organic dark chocolate (85% cacao) seems to do anything other than make me echo my grandmother’s saying “It tastes like more.”

Looking for suggestions as to alternatives, so that I can stay on track with what seems as if it should be a diet consisting largely of protein and fats, both in suitable amounts for weight maintenance.

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I have heard & have copies (paperback & Kindle) of Jane McClelland's book. I have also heard of the Warburg effect.
I also agree with you in thinking that Pancreatic cancer really likes sugar. For years I followed Monash's low glycemic index / load advice about diet. Perhaps that actually delayed earlier development of my pancreatic cancer. Who knows?
I have no family history of pancreatic cancer, but worked in a new building and later had the same office as one man who died early and fast in his 40's after a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer. (Another woman died at a typically early age from the same diagnosis not long after my employer moved into that building, I think, in 1984). Was there something carcinogenic in the materials used to construct that building? Coincidence? Or?

The only other known carcinogen I can point to in my personal history is living in the midst of fields where glyphosate is regularly applied. Since for years I have felt better eating organic, I'm inclined to think that I have been poisoned by this said-to-be-harmless chemical. Strategies for de-toxing from long-term glyphosate exposure are in their infancy, and those who believe they are necessary are demonized for their non-mainstream convictions.

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My family is planning for me to move closer to them in a nearby state, in early September, so it seems as if I should wait until then before seeking out a naturopathic physician.
There is also the question of how to pay for health care that my Medicare Advantage plan will probably not cover. I have Quartz and so far my attempts to figure out what it will cover have been very frustrating, with no clear answers, in particular, about changing my state of residence.

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So glad you posted, because my cravings for sugar have returned (for three years before my diagnosis, I ate a low-sugar, few-lab-chemicals diet -- a big deal for me, because I'd had mostly unhealthful habits before then).

I've found that eating about an ounce of cheese or an ounce of nuts stops the craving for sugar -- but that if I give in and eat something sugary, then I want more sugar. Fat + protein seems to calm the cravings.

Also: A little dark chocolate (about 1/4 ounce) satisfies me, whereas milk chocolate makes me want more and more and more. Because I'm on a tight budget, I eat Ghirardelli 60% baking chips -- more expensive than Hershey or Nestle baking chips, but tastier, and cheaper per pound than dark-chocolate candies from Dove or Hershey. And so easy to count out a few chips for that 1/4 ounce!

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@jk77

So glad you posted, because my cravings for sugar have returned (for three years before my diagnosis, I ate a low-sugar, few-lab-chemicals diet -- a big deal for me, because I'd had mostly unhealthful habits before then).

I've found that eating about an ounce of cheese or an ounce of nuts stops the craving for sugar -- but that if I give in and eat something sugary, then I want more sugar. Fat + protein seems to calm the cravings.

Also: A little dark chocolate (about 1/4 ounce) satisfies me, whereas milk chocolate makes me want more and more and more. Because I'm on a tight budget, I eat Ghirardelli 60% baking chips -- more expensive than Hershey or Nestle baking chips, but tastier, and cheaper per pound than dark-chocolate candies from Dove or Hershey. And so easy to count out a few chips for that 1/4 ounce!

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Thanks jk77 for sharing your experience.
I haven't yet had the chance to try Fat + Protein combination, other than to eat more of what my husband keeps on hand for me (organic white meat chicken chunks or line-and-pole caught tuna) and California Olive Ranch Extra Virgin Olive Oil.
Regarding chocolate, I have tried various brands of dark chocolate (as high as 95% cacao) and find that rather than satisfying the craving, they just make me want more. Even switching to organic only doesn't seem to have helped.
My experience with nuts has been up and down. Again, hubby was shopping mainly for "raw" nuts, not realizing my conviction that I also need to eat food that has never had glyphosate applied. I've been reading that even so-called organic produce may have glyphosate applied somewhere along the production line, like drying.

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@ajh5285

Thanks jk77 for sharing your experience.
I haven't yet had the chance to try Fat + Protein combination, other than to eat more of what my husband keeps on hand for me (organic white meat chicken chunks or line-and-pole caught tuna) and California Olive Ranch Extra Virgin Olive Oil.
Regarding chocolate, I have tried various brands of dark chocolate (as high as 95% cacao) and find that rather than satisfying the craving, they just make me want more. Even switching to organic only doesn't seem to have helped.
My experience with nuts has been up and down. Again, hubby was shopping mainly for "raw" nuts, not realizing my conviction that I also need to eat food that has never had glyphosate applied. I've been reading that even so-called organic produce may have glyphosate applied somewhere along the production line, like drying.

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Thanks for the reminders about the benefits of, and maybe pitfalls with, organics. I wish you all the best.

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@gardenlady1116

One thing you can expect is for things to be different than before pancreatic cancer! I used to cook mostly chicken and fish. Chocolate was a must in my life. I had been treated with an antibiotic for a sinus infection a couple of weeks before my diagnosis, so I attributed my diarrhea to the antibiotic. I developed jaundice and the CT showed the tumor. I had blockage of the bile duct and had a stent and a biopsy. In addition to blockage of the bile ducts, there was blockage of pancreatic ducts and the pancreas appeared atrophic (smaller than normal). I asked the GI who placed the stent about pancreatic insufficiency and he wasn't sure. It was the oncologist who subsequently saw me who first prescribed the Creon. I initially lost weight, from usual weight of 145 to 120. I was referred by my second opinion oncologist at MSKCC to a specialty dietician. Having a knowledgeable hepatobiliary dietician has been incredibly helpful to me.

I was quite reluctant to take Creon and started with just 12,000 units. As the dose was increased, I started having formed stools and my appetite returned, however my tastes changed. I acquired a taste for beef. Chocolate had no appeal. After chemo started, I would feel hungry but didn't have a taste for food. I ate because I knew I needed to. I also couldn't stand cold food. My dietician worked with me on increasing the dose of Creon. I gradually had fewer symptoms of gas, frequent bowel movements, but was still losing weight gradually. I got down to as low as 106 lb. Fats were difficult for me. Butter definitely out! An egg roll resulted in 24 hours of misery. Trial and error. It's hard to get enough calories in without the fats. Coconut oil, olive oil, seem best tolerated. The dietician suggested nut butters. These seemed fine. It wasn't until I got up to taking two of the 36,000 units of Creon about three weeks before the Whipple that my gut symptoms were under control. Not needing a trip to the bathroom an hour after eating, stools stopped being yellow and floating. and my weight was up to 110. My cancer responded to the chemo with oxaliplatin and 5-FU and I went from being borderline resectable to resectable and had the Whipple's June 21st.

After the Whipple, I went down to 103 lb and recovery has been slow. It is hard to eat every 3-4 hours. Can't go by appetite, need to keep an eye on the clock. At nine weeks, I am able to eat more at one time, and I am going 3-4 hours between eating, sometimes 5 hours if something comes up where I am not able to eat within 4 hours. If I go to long and get hungry, I can't eat enough to really satisfy appetite. I am back to 110 lb and feel stronger.

Amylase needed for digestion of complex carbohydrates is found in saliva. I find that I can eat something like an apple or other fruit which is pretty much pure carbohydrate without Creon. I also found I could eat Twizzlers without Creon so I take them with me when I am away from home. My dosing of Creon hasn't increased since surgery, but I take it more often. Since I fill up easily and need to eat high calorie foods, I cut out the salads and most fresh vegetables. I have been eating a lot of fresh fruits.

I believe that Creon saved my life. Certainly has improved the quality of my life. I can have a more normal social life. I am more comfortable in being away from home. Others on this forum have reported that the non prescription natural pancreatic enzymes have been beneficial for them. You have to listen carefully to your body and try and accommodate changes in appetite and gut symptoms and changes in your taste as you proceed with treatment. I wish I had taken higher doses of Creon earlier on. I might have been at a safer weight going into surgery. I think being underweight slowed down recovery from surgery. I would like to get my weight up to around 120 lb, gives me more of a margin of safety.

My great discovery is that walnut butter is amazingly tasty! I also like almond butter and Nutella. Cashew butter not any better than almond butter and more expensive. Haven't tried with the macadamia nut butter I bought yet. Peanut butter not particularly appealing but I might need to try with some different kinds.

Every one is different, but many people have dietary issues and gut symptoms as one of the more difficult aspects of the pancreatic cancer experience. and it seems no easy answers. If you try with pancreatic enzymes and it isn't helpful, you can always stop. Trust yourself.

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With regard to peanut butter: It had been a staple of my pre-diagnosis life (steel-cut oats with kale and pb for breakfast!), but after my symptoms exploded in Jan. 2023, I felt queasy when I thought about foods I'd previously eaten daily.

I started eating pb again a few weeks ago. My grocery store's own-brand organic (no salt -- just peanuts ground up) tastes mild; perhaps something comparable would work for you?

Also, if useful: I add chopped pecans to yogurt with fruit, for a little extra protein+fat.

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