Chronic Buttock Pain
I will do my best to keep this brief, but it is a long story. I have had pain in my buttocks, sometimes hips, groin, sacral area for 5 months, along with tingling in both legs and feet. The pain is most intense in the intergluteal cleft, the area where pressure is applied while sitting. My entire buttock region is sensitive to pressure. The pain in the sacral area comes and goes, and is best described as a burning pain. The majority of symptoms are on my left, but are also on the right side. The groin pain is most often "flashes" of burning.
My first diagnosis was hemorrhoids since the first symptom was burning bowel movements. The burning bowel movements stopped, but then the other buttock pain intensified. In mid January, I had x-rays of my pelvis taken.
"Mild osteophytosis and sclerosis of the SI joints suggesting mild osteoarthritis. There is mild to moderate multilevel degenerative disc disease and facet arthropathy of the lumbar spine most prominent from L4-S1."
The pain started to really focus on a specific spot on my left buttock. It even hurt to just gently rub my finger against.
When I would sit in a car, especially driving, my legs tingle quite severely and the burning pain in my sacrum intensifies. (this also happened when I lay on my back)
By Feb 17, I thought maybe it was ischial bursitis. My doctor prescribed me a short course of steroids, but no change. The next step was MRIs of my pelvis and lumbar region.
IMPRESSION: * At L5-S1, right central disc protrusion deforms the anterior thecal sac and may contact the traversing right S1 nerve root, but the nerve root is not displaced. * At L4-5, posterior annular tear and central disc protrusion are superimposed on circumferential disc bulge. Although this deforms the anterior thecal sac, there is no obvious neural impingement. * L3-4 posterior annular tear and circumferential disc bulge. No neural impingement.
The radiating nerve irritation is on the inside of my thigh, near where the inseam of a pant leg would be, but maybe a little farther on the back of the leg. Sometimes it will go beneath the knee. My ankles have been burning some as well. My feet are often cold.
It was getting to the point where the only position I could be comfortable is laying down. And the only time I could fully escape the pain was during sleep.
On Feb 27, my doctor (nurse practitioner) is stumped and started questioning whether the pain is mental. I ask if we can explore PT, and he refers me. He did note the disc degeneration in my MRI and said he could refer me to a pain management doctor for local injections. I have no idea how that process works and decide to proceed with the PT.
At this time, he had me try Cymbalta but I am pretty certain that it caused some severe insomnia so I stopped taking it after a few days. I was pretty stressed at this time due to an upcoming colonoscopy. The NP continued to question whether this was anxiety or psychosomatic. I had to start taking sleep aids.
PT started on Mar 8. I was excited to get in front of someone who knew more details of the nerves/muscles/spine, and someone who would listen to me. Upon evaluation for the severe pain in the spot in my left buttock, the PT determined that the connection of my hamstring to my pelvis had become frayed or damaged. Certain actions of my hamstring triggered intense pain. We started exercises that focused on the hamstring. We talked about some of the tingling but didn't really address it much. He thought it may have been due to the lack of sleep.
The PT was definitely helping the intense pain spot. I do not recall the level of pain in the rest of the buttock area.
My colonoscopy was on Mar 14 and the results were fine. The few days after this was the only time since late December that I actually felt normal. Then, on Mar 18, I started having neck pain. My PT could not help me with the neck issue at this time since the order was for the buttock pain. Sleep is the only place I could fully escape, so I started sleeping A LOT. At certain times of the day, after I have been upright for a time, I would just have this "sinking" feeling like my entire spine was collapsing. I tried heat, NSAIDs, Apsercreme, nothing really worked well.
Mar 29 was the last day of PT for the specific spot on my buttock. PT performed the same actions as on day 1 and the pain in that spot was no longer triggered. I visited a doctor about my neck. He felt my neck and said that I felt tight (and was sore) on the left side. He said to try more naproxen or ibuprofen. I mentioned the seat and leg pain, and he said to try the gabapentin at night again. I told him my PT said he could help if I had a new order, but he would want x-rays since I told him I knew my neck as deformed (I have autofused vertebrae from birth).
During this time, my neck was my biggest misery, with the other issues still present.
I messaged my doctor again and asked about the buttock and leg issues. He said he could refer me to pain management for injections in my back. I asked him if the assumption then was that this leg tingling is related to my back and he said "he feels that is most likely the cause". I then asked if it would make sense to talk to someone in ortho/neuro about my MRI and symptoms before pursuing the injections.I was referred to an Ortho. While making the appointment, I had to choose what area I wanted to treat.
At that time, my neck was most bothersome, so I started there. During the first visit, I did not see the doctor, but an NP. We looked at my imaging and talked about my neck, the autofused vertebrae, the disc degeneration. I asked some questions about my buttock issue. She suggested that maybe it was an SI joint issue and once again, it was suggested that I visit pain management for injections. She said we could try Celebrex to see if that helped any first. She tested my reflexes and since I was hyperreflexive, ordered a neck MRI and follow up. Two weeks later, I had the MRI and follow-up, this time with the doctor. The issue in my buttocks had intensified, and the neck pain was more intermittent. The doctor said I was not a candidate for surgery on my neck and was experiencing what millions of others are experiencing regarding disc degeneration. He asked what I had tried so far. I said just OTC NSAIDs. He said the next step is PT. As is typical, he was very rushed and I tried to ask questions about my buttock pain, but was not really allowed to get into as much depth as I would have liked. In the end, he added the "lumbar" issue to my PT order.
I started PT again last week. Even after just two sessions, my neck is quite a bit better. I had some very tight muscles in my shoulder region that he was able to loosen up, and has been doing some very light manual traction. He did some provocative tests on my SI, and while not conclusive, there were some results that pointed to an issue. He said that he has only treated SI joint issues a handful of times, and did not think that they often were accompanied with the leg nerve pain. He gave me an SI belt yesterday and said that I should start noticing a difference by the end of the night. I have been wearing it since, and really have not noticed much change yet. It does seem to make me more stable while walking, but the buttock pain while sitting, and at least some level of tingling is still there. I am trying to give it time, even though he said the impact should be noticeable quickly. Honestly, he seems stumped. I trust him very much, and he seems dedicated to trying to help me, but he wants to go down the path of the source just being sitting too much, and I do not think that is the case. I have made an appointment with another PT in town that offers a free consultation to get his take. I have also made an appointment with a massage therapist.
The Celebrex does not seem to be doing anything.
I have been trying to get some clarification from the ortho NP who talked to me the most about my buttocks, but the office is very slow to reply and I only get replies from the nurse assistant and don't even know if my questions are being seen by the NP.
As much as I hate needles, I am not opposed to injections, if we know what needs to be injected. But I would prefer to FIX the issue rather than cover it up. I did get a referral to Pain Management but have not had an appointment set yet.
The last 5 months have been miserable. I am not performing to the level I should be at work or home. I am thankful that I work from home and have flexibility. It is still the worst while driving and I rarely go anywhere anymore. I have missed out on so much, including time with my family. I am wiped out by 5:00 pm and am often in bed by 7:00 or 8:00. Relief from the neck pain is helping, but I cannot escape the buttock pain.
Can anyone provide any insight? Does this sound like an issue with my SI joint? Could those protrusions mentioned on my MRI be the issue? I am so desperate for answers I don't know where to go.
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Your symptoms in the glute region sound like mine. I have chronic myofascial pain. The sciaticas and sensitivity to pressure are characteristic of myofascial pain. Stretching and the use of a variety of soft, extra soft rollers (OPTP brand) and curved rollers (Rollga soft) are very helpful. You can roll them all over your legs and affected areas. You’ll get a feeling like your extra stretched out and your tissue will loosen up a bit. I find it’s best in the am since any reactive pain wears off so you can sleep and you’ll get the all day benefit of the stretch/exercise. Even stretching and lots of walking would help. I also do Pilates reformer- but just better stretching and the rollers would probably do the trick. Exercise to tolerance- but you’ll find your tolerance goes up as you loosen up. Add some green powder supplements to your diet (or extra veggies). Turmeric and Benfotiamine helped the neuropathic pain for me (both doctor recommended). Heather’s tiny fiber and a Rutin supplement help avoid hemorrhoid’s. Beware reading too much into X-rays and MRIs about degenerative changes. We all have some degenerative changes with age. The body heals and does what it can. I am not a fan of the injections, etc. promoted by western medicine. The suggestions above are worth a try. Good luck!
I have right stabbing but pain that goes into my groin on the left as well. I have fused L5 and S1. I am not sure if it’s congenital, I have had no spine surgery. I have spinal stenosis as well and bulging disks
I can not walk without pain, feels like my hip but I am almost certain it’s my back
I made an Appt with a spinal Dr, maybe I should see a Neurosurgeon…?
Paul, have you found out anything new?
I have very similar problems. Just curious.
Jen
I have had severe bursitis and received shots for relief. However, in the years I've had this, I've found that my hip goes out of joint, as does the sacrum due to hypermobility. It is not EDS (Ehlers/Danlos), but a lighter case. Relief has come (in that area!) with piriformis stretches, hamstring stretches, glute and hip flexor stretches for strength and flexibility, clamshells and other moves. My PT was a manual, so she adjusted my sacrum and checked to be sure that my feet were equal. If one is higher than the other when lying down, there is an adjustment for that. Stronger muscles hold things in place. Water exercise, daily walking also help. At this point, I can self adjust by doing the PT stretches given to me. Online, Dr Jo has PT stretches, but for a rounded program, it is best to see your PT.
Having had both L4-S1 AFLT/PFLT spinal and SI joint fusion years ago along with over 13 years of PT, I would suggest you probably have some piriformis syndrome going on that aggrevates you SI nerve ( based on your symptoms and descriptions). I would inquire with your PT and pain mgt dr to look into some piriformis injections to see if you get some immediate relief. If so, development s schedule for injections and hit the PT hard to stretch out piriformis while you've got some relief. Research piriformis syndrome. I had to bring it up and ask the PM Dr to pursue it. ( after years of SIJ rhyzotomy's, steroid injections , etc). I couldn't lift my foot to pt on my pants, now can march in a parade!
Had my SI joints injected and feel like a new person. So far, so good
I had an L5-S1 fusion in 1998 which stopped the slipping. I had fallen and evidently broken two
pieces of cartilage from the back part of my L5. I went to 5 orthopedists before the 6th had xrays done where I was in various positions of bending and he discovered the cause of the problem of slippage. HSS in NYC has fine orthopedic surgeons.
I have all the problems you describe re the left buttock. I had a test on the pudendal nerves and got a diagnosis of left pudendal nerve entrapment. This nerve lies adjacent to the perineal area between the vagina and anus in women (same area for men) and I had severe burning pain here. Only an ice pack stopped the sensation of burning even though the nerve is not “hot”, but your brain tells you it is. This condition sometimes affects cyclists, although that was not my history. The only thing that finally got rid of this pain was a spinal cord stimulator. The SCS is effective on nerve pain but not so much on muscle pain directly. But I am so thankful for getting rid of this particular pain and am now working with the SCS rep on intensity and placement to reduce other nerve/muscle related pain. I have gone from being in bed most of the day to only brief rest periods. Also, my posture is improving since I no longer feel like I need to slump forward. When I get up in the morning, I am hopeful again and goal oriented instead of feeling dread. I do take Lyrica and Cymbalta but don’t use opioids b/c while temporarily effective, I think that in combination with the impaired pudendal nerve, it was what caused occasional loss of control of my bowels. With no opioids, that problem disappeared. I hope you find this information helpful.
Hi Gaylerenee,
How did they test your pudendal nerve? Anesthetic injection?
Thanks,
Jennifer
Hi Bernie,
Do you know the brand of the cushion you mentioned that has the compressor?
Thanks,
Jennifer