Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain
When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.
Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.
I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.
You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.
Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.
Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?
Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.
Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?
Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?
Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?
Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.
Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.
John
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Quite honestly I have experienced exacerbations of this for more than 30 years. It has always dissipated and I would shrug it off as nervousness/anxiety. I was tested for MS and ALS. My toes now have been pretty numb for a few years. About 2 weeks ago I started haveing pins/needles and numbness in lower legs and hands. Once I’m up and moving it gets better. The numbness moves from place to place. It’s so weird. Peripheral neuropathy is what makes the most sense. I’m very light headed too. I feel so alone because it’s hard to tell anyone without them thinking I’m nuts! Thank you so very much for listening.
I am 2 years in, living with numb feet and lower legs everyday, but I am generally pain free, or certainly not anything painful enough I feel I need to take any of the drugs available with neuropathy, I think certainly now I am starting to feel some pains in my legs and feet, like stabbing, or sharp electrodes, but I feel like I want to go as far as I can before I take anything because everything I’ve read about the medicine doesn’t look reassuring and I read some of them can make you feel rubbish, I do consider myself lucky enough to not have to deal with a lot of pain on top of the numbness, I feel like every few weeks I go through flare ups for a couple of weeks then it settles, god bless you all dealing with this chronic illiness and living in pain
I’ve been living with this for 18 years. Fortunately I found Dr Thomas Szulc in NYC who diagnosed the cause as toxins in my blood. He administered chelation treatments which greatly reduced my numbness but not completely. I don’t know if he still is practicing. I can’t jog anymore and driving is becoming a challenge but I still play tennis. I’m 80 now. I too feel for those in pain. Gabapenten helps. Good luck
Welcome @martyo321, I've also been dealing with the numbness for over 20 years. It's been many years since I've done any jogging, I'm the same age and can probably do a speed version of the senior shuffle if I'm crossing a busy intersection which I try not to do very often. You are doing great if you can still play tennis. We are definitely lucky to only have the numbness. Even though I've had the numbness for a long time, I didn't seek a diagnosis until 2016 and found out I had idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy. After which I was told the same thing my primary care docs had been telling me all along, there is no cure and there are no medications that will help with the numbness. So I turned my focus onto learning as much as I can about the condition and what treatments may be available to help.
Have you done any research on your diagnosis or type of neuropathy?
Great to hear you have been able to "live" with this and no pain. My symptoms are as you described but numbness is creeping up my legs but I'm still very active at 70. Do you remember what kind of toxins your doctor found and what was process for getting rid of them
My oncologist wants me on daxiltaxol and permanent and or long term nerve issues are a common side effect. I'm hemiplegic and wheelchair bound 33 years with some left side numbness /partial paralysis. I'm not risking worse on this chemo drug and possibly losing my independence and maybe my life. Cancer isn't scary compared to loss of freedom -independence
I too have very little pain but terrible neuropathy in my hands and feet. I have
to find good support shoes which is hard to find as my toes too are distorted.
I do like some Skechers. I'm find it getting harder and harder to walk and reall y have to concentrate on not limping. I'm worried about not being able to walk at all. I feel that Pregablin has been a wonderful help and think that is why I have little pain. I take Tai Chi three times a week and that is wonderful
for balance. I also walk but can't be on my feet for long periods of time.
May I ask when did it start and how old are you?
How is your balance? Especially going down public steps with no railing?
What toxins did your Dr find and how was it treated? My neurologist just said idiopathic. He said he checked everything and just found sensory neuropathy. My symptoms are like yours numbness and tingling. No pain. No balance issues, has progressed up my knees over past 8 years. It don't know if he checked for toxins.