Clinical trial (third line treatment) lurbinectedin and irinotecan

Posted by ro0891 @ro0891, Jun 14, 2023

Starting a clinical trial this week for stage iv pancreatic cancer. Trial doesn’t target a specific mutation but it does target neuroendocrine tumors. Was on Gem/Abrax for few months and cancer started to show resistance. Options were explore trials or stay on chemo and eventually comfort care and hospice. Been off of chemo for 2 weeks for a flush to start the trial drug and cancer has progressed- symptoms have worsened. Will be starting a trial with the drugs lurbinectedin and irinotecan. The lurbinectedin is the trial drug. Just wanted to get anyones thoughts on trials and if they’re familiar with the trial drug. It is approved for Small Cell Lung Cancer but is now being tested with gastro cancers.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Pancreatic Cancer Support Group.

I think each KRAS is treated differently- but I would definitely check with your oncologist. My dad is at MGH Boston, we had a second opinion at Dana Farber and they did tell me the trial is being conducted there. Unfortunately there’s a waitlist.

REPLY
@stageivsurvivor

A have a basic familiarity with a new trial testing lurbenectedin heading by Dr. Erkut Borazanci of HonorHealth as in its mode of action but not much more because of the clinical study just getting started. I do have experience with clinical trials so I can comment regarding my experience.

When I was facing a diagnosis of stage IV disease in 2012, even before starting standard of care treatment, I began looking at clinical trials. It is said that those with later stage pancreatic cancer participating in clinical trials may have better outcomes than standard of care. Every drug used in cancer treatment began as a clinical trial and had to show efficacy that was equal to or better in some way if it was being tested against an existing drug. My search became easier when testing revealed a genetic mutation that was targetable. It took 14 months until I found the trial that was a best match to my set of criteria matching the trial’s eligibility criteria.

For those not having genetic mutations or actionable biomarkers, a third type of clinical trial tests small molecule drugs. This is a very active area of clinical research and from understanding the mechanisms of how a drug works at the molecular level, drugs that were developed for other types of cancers or conditions offer the potential to treat other types of cancers. The clinical study I was in first was for a drug first tested on ovarian cancer and got approval. Then it was tested on breast cancer and approved for that use. Next was pancreatic and now it is being used for prostate as an example of how a drug’s application of use can evolve. It doesn’t work for every patient but for some, it has made the difference.

With clinical trials, a study participant is observed much more closely by the study team than someone doing standard of care. When I entered my trial, searching for treatments did not stop. I continued looking for other options should the trial not work. I wanted to be prepared and with limited targeted therapies, focused on small molecule drug trials. Fortunately the drug I obtained as targeted therapy with the objective of long-term maintenance monotherapy continues to work and I remain on the drug which continues to be provided free of charge for over 8.5 years now. I continue to be closely and frequently monitored for the drug which is well tolerated.

Jump to this post

Can you describe your stage iv? Had it spread to your liver. Just curious. Trying to hold on to some hope… hoping we’re not at a point of no return starting these trials.

REPLY
@ro0891

Can you describe your stage iv? Had it spread to your liver. Just curious. Trying to hold on to some hope… hoping we’re not at a point of no return starting these trials.

Jump to this post

I had six sizable tumors in my liver and numerous small ones scattered in multiple lobes. The largest tumor was 4.2 cm x 3.8 cm lying on top of the Hepatobiliary tree and determined to be inoperable or treatable by ablation.

REPLY

Dana Farber is one of the top cancer treatment centers in the US. You are in good hands there. Probably they know and can help you.

REPLY

Blood did not reach expectations today. Albumin remained low. We have no choice but to give up on this particular trial. Cancer is growing too fast to wait another two weeks. Dr. Decided to put my father back ok chemo but a different regimen. Since gem/Abrax wasn’t working to well he is going to be on liposomal irinotecan 5-fu. Does anyone have experience with this combo of drugs?

REPLY
@stageivsurvivor

I had six sizable tumors in my liver and numerous small ones scattered in multiple lobes. The largest tumor was 4.2 cm x 3.8 cm lying on top of the Hepatobiliary tree and determined to be inoperable or treatable by ablation.

Jump to this post

Hi!
I'd love to connect with you on your survival journey. My father is now dealing with multiple mets throughout the liver, some sizable. What was your treatment plan? Thanks!

REPLY
@ro0891

Blood did not reach expectations today. Albumin remained low. We have no choice but to give up on this particular trial. Cancer is growing too fast to wait another two weeks. Dr. Decided to put my father back ok chemo but a different regimen. Since gem/Abrax wasn’t working to well he is going to be on liposomal irinotecan 5-fu. Does anyone have experience with this combo of drugs?

Jump to this post

Hi!
My father has been on this regimen since March. He had a marked decrease in in CA 19-9. Recent scan in June showed mixed response. His primary tumor reduced, along with nearby lymph nodes. However, some areas in his liver grew, and two new mets to the liver. He tolerated it well. Was hardest on his platelets; had a dose reduction and has had to skip infusions here and there for platelets to recover first. Thankfully, he experienced no diarrhea. Irinotecan is know to cause that, but I believe the liposomal is better in this regard.

REPLY
@brittbk

Hi!
My father has been on this regimen since March. He had a marked decrease in in CA 19-9. Recent scan in June showed mixed response. His primary tumor reduced, along with nearby lymph nodes. However, some areas in his liver grew, and two new mets to the liver. He tolerated it well. Was hardest on his platelets; had a dose reduction and has had to skip infusions here and there for platelets to recover first. Thankfully, he experienced no diarrhea. Irinotecan is know to cause that, but I believe the liposomal is better in this regard.

Jump to this post

That’s really helpful. Gives me some insight on what we may experience. Thank you so much. I am glad he is seeing some progress. This is such a difficult journey.

REPLY
@brittbk

Hi!
I'd love to connect with you on your survival journey. My father is now dealing with multiple mets throughout the liver, some sizable. What was your treatment plan? Thanks!

Jump to this post

I advocated for aggressive chemotherapy of Folfirinox. This was the formulation used from 2011-2018…not the (m)Folfirinox used since 2018. The original version was 20% higher concentration. I had chemo every 15 days for 24 months without pause.

Because of the concern for permanent neuropathy, my oncologist did an alternate mode of administration. The first six cycles were Folfirinox. Cycles 7-12 removed the Irinotecan and Oxaliplatin. These were considered resting cycles to let my body recover, hopefully lessen the effects of neuropathy and not becoming permanent while keeping the tumors stable or just growing slowly until cycles 13-18 when all components were then given. This alternating dosing went until cycle 46 when a CT scan showed no more shrinkage. At this point, the six major tumors had shrunk approximately 75-80% and the smaller ones were no longer seen. It was likely what remained was scar tissue that eventually was cleared by immune system cells. After a two week  “wash-out period” of the 5-FU/Leucovorin, I entered a clinical trial testing a PARP inhibitor that targeted my gene mutation. At the point I entered the trial, I was likely already NED and probably any minimal residual disease was eliminated from the excessive chemo I had. So it was more likely the chemo is what did it and the clinical trial drug kept any new primary tumor from occurring.

I was 55 and in otherwise excellent physical condition from long-distance bike riding. My objective despite being stage IV was to attempt cure although I’m sure my team was thinking it was not likely to happen. My top priority was survival and as long as possible. It was all or nothing. I had no intention of stopping and was committed to sticking to my goal till the very end. This is why I advocated for the more aggressive approach and thankfully my team agreed to do it.

Was it doing excessive chemo, the clinical trial, a combination of the two or was there something unique about my immune system that made me what the NCI categorizes as an “exceptional responder” is not known. In those that are classified as exceptional responders, it is often observed that T-lymphocytes of a specific type can get past the fibroblast-stromal layer and penetrate deep into the tumors and work in conjunction with chemo. When I was asked if I was willing to submit to a biopsy of one of the liver mets after having such a robust response, I gave consent. There was one major problem- a review of my scans showed nothing remained to be biopsied. So what factors led to my becoming cured of stage IV remain a mystery.

From anecdotal observation of other long-term survivors that did aggressive Folfirinox or Gemzar/Abraxane, our diagnosis was made between the ages of 39-55. Most of us did significant bike riding or were runners. None of us ever smoked, did not or rarely drank, ate healthy with average BMI values and had no co-morbidities of any significance. We tolerated the chemo well and the major complaint was neuropathy.

I did develop neuropathy in the hands, fingers, balls of the feet to the toes. Sensitivity was dulled but I never lost feeling in the extremities. I always was ambulatory but did experience a loss of spatial awareness at times of where my feet were and occasionally caught the tips of my shoes when walking. I also noticed times where I was unable to walk in a straight line and tended to drift to the right. My hands and fingers cleared first followed by decreased sensitivity to cold which then resolved. That was close to one year. The feet took considerably longer. There was no improvement until 2.5 years after finishing chemo. The feet eventually resolved after 7.5 years.

REPLY

Your story is amazing. Your resilience, and advocacy for yourself is truly admirable. I hope you are enjoying your life to the fullest. Thank you for sharing your journey.

REPLY
Please sign in or register to post a reply.