@alfshort71, I'm asking him right now since it's been so long ago! He said he massaged with his fingertips on the outside of his neck, starting below the earlobe. Very, very gently (a four-five-inch stretch) going toward chin. You will be able to feel the glands there, slightly under the chin. Keep the lemon or sour candy inside the mouth as long as you can tolerate. Unfortunately, he had to do this several times per day until it finally popped out in the middle of the night. It was very painful...he swelled way up too, underneath his tongue. The swelling progressed until about day four, when it finally came out. I have included a photo of the stone as we kept it for reference! Please try not to gag. He said he could not feel the stone when massaging, because it was so painful. You should probably go to the dentist, or an ENT to make sure that it IS a stone. Some have to be removed in other ways. You are in our thoughts and prayers for an answer.