Positive Dysphotopsia after Cataract Surgery

Posted by bobbyo @bobbyo, Oct 30, 2021

I’m 62 and had my left eye cataract done in December 2019 and still have significant peripheral light streaks and night glare and starbursts while driving (positive dysphotopsia). Makes me a little “white-knuckled” when night driving and is maddening overall. Local surgeons are not inclined to consider an IOL exchange and neither am I, at this point.
With that, has anyone:
- experienced dissipation of dysphotopsia symptoms as time passed?
- tried photochromic contacts or glasses and had success?
- other actions that helped you?

Thanks for any input!

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@poc1115

I'm also curious about the incidence of PD with the use of laser assist vs bladed surgery. I opted for laser, it probably has no bearing since it's thought to be the material and shape of the lens replacement, but I am curious. Saw my opthalmologist yesterday and he said no one knows why or how some people get PD, that they just do. At my one month post op visit we test for new eyeglass RX and he said that a new RX (if needed) may calm down the streaks. Needless to say I won't be doing my other eye any time soon.

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For starters, are your eyes of a light color? The square edge of IOL may be a factor, but this “light eye thing” may be something too. I don’t know; ophthalmologists are too inclined to educate patients.

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@bobbyo

For starters, are your eyes of a light color? The square edge of IOL may be a factor, but this “light eye thing” may be something too. I don’t know; ophthalmologists are too inclined to educate patients.

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Excuse me, ophthalmologists are NOT to inclined to educate patients.

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@bobbyo

For starters, are your eyes of a light color? The square edge of IOL may be a factor, but this “light eye thing” may be something too. I don’t know; ophthalmologists are too inclined to educate patients.

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I have very dark eyes.

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@bobbyo

Excuse me, ophthalmologists are NOT to inclined to educate patients.

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bobbyo - Thank you! your posts have done a lot to educate me about PD than most ophthalmologist would ever care to. Really appreciate your efforts.

Am 70 years old and had my Right Eye cataract surgery done about 12 years ago (Alcon SN60WF, monofocal). Took care of the cataract, but I still needed refractive correction with glasses. I see minor double image in RE when looking directly at bright lights with dark background. The ophthalmologist convinced me that it was because my RE was already compromised because of a prior Iris problem.

Recently, LE showed cataract, not too bad, and I had LE cataract surgery at the beginning of March 2023. (I do not know if it was unwise to use a different surgeon, but a very experienced one, who put in a HOYA acrylic IOL using laser surgery - this is in India). Almost from day 1 after this surgery, and it's 4 weeks now, I'm noticing starbursts while looking at car headlights; and the home / street lights appear in multiple layers blurring the overall appearance of those lights. Otherwise, optometrist measured the distance vision in this eye at almost 20/20. I'd end up using glasses with progressive lenses because of the RE issue. When questioned about starbursts and multiple light images, the ophthalmologist feels all this should settle down with time. I really hope so.

In the interim, I am really afraid that, with my RE already compromised, this could affect my night time driving and I do enjoy driving. Very worried and keeping my fingers crossed for now.

I do thank you, bobbyo and others, once again for so much useful information and links on this forum - I wish I had seen it before and reconsidered my cataract surgery decision at this stage.

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@aa2023

bobbyo - Thank you! your posts have done a lot to educate me about PD than most ophthalmologist would ever care to. Really appreciate your efforts.

Am 70 years old and had my Right Eye cataract surgery done about 12 years ago (Alcon SN60WF, monofocal). Took care of the cataract, but I still needed refractive correction with glasses. I see minor double image in RE when looking directly at bright lights with dark background. The ophthalmologist convinced me that it was because my RE was already compromised because of a prior Iris problem.

Recently, LE showed cataract, not too bad, and I had LE cataract surgery at the beginning of March 2023. (I do not know if it was unwise to use a different surgeon, but a very experienced one, who put in a HOYA acrylic IOL using laser surgery - this is in India). Almost from day 1 after this surgery, and it's 4 weeks now, I'm noticing starbursts while looking at car headlights; and the home / street lights appear in multiple layers blurring the overall appearance of those lights. Otherwise, optometrist measured the distance vision in this eye at almost 20/20. I'd end up using glasses with progressive lenses because of the RE issue. When questioned about starbursts and multiple light images, the ophthalmologist feels all this should settle down with time. I really hope so.

In the interim, I am really afraid that, with my RE already compromised, this could affect my night time driving and I do enjoy driving. Very worried and keeping my fingers crossed for now.

I do thank you, bobbyo and others, once again for so much useful information and links on this forum - I wish I had seen it before and reconsidered my cataract surgery decision at this stage.

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Dear aa2023,

Surely, hope you have improvement in the coming weeks and months. It is difficult decision on when to “pull the trigger” on an eye surgery, if at all.

I had thought that I was ready in October 2021 to get my RE done, but scared off because of the fear of getting PD like I had gotten with my LE. So, I did a lot of homework and got the surgeon to use the B & L silicone, round-edge for the RE this past January. However, No luck as this RE is, at least, as bad with PD symptoms as the LE as I near 9-weeks post surgery..

You do all you can to put yourself in the best position, but everyone's situation is different and results are rarely perfect.

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@sbdvrd

Hello again, and first I want to say that I'm sorry your PD has not resolved. My main complaint is an annoying constant light show. I am going on almost 5 months post surgery from my second eye and the flickering, mostly when indoors around artificial light has not resolved. I did get a 2nd & 3rd opinion and they said it is Positive Disphotopsia and that if neuroadaption doesn't happen in 3 months then a ROC o IOL exchnage is the solution. My ophthamologist said yesterday that I could try ROC (reverse optic capture) and it that doesn't work do a lens exchange. Not thrilled with multiple surgeries, especially if no guarantee. I am fine outdoors. I need to figure out this flickering first because my doctor also wants to make sure the lens is not moving (Phacodonesis). His exam and 2 other DR. say it is not but the video I have looks like it is or is it just a refection of light bouncing off the square edge of the Panoptix lens? I can't post link but if you search lottemeiners1.wixsite with .com at end you can see it.
If It just takes time to resolve than I am willing to do that vs any interventions but also am sensitive to the optimal timing to do any surgery, especially an IOL exchange. My Dr. says that needs to happen sooner than later (2-6 months).
I think what is happening for many (3 %) who have the latest material for these lenses, acrylic, is that it is highly reflective and causing light splatter when it hits the lens. Especially if it is a square edge lens with rings like my AcrySof IQ Panoptix Lens. LE is a topic. I think there is a misalignment issue of the alpha angle of our eyes and optical angle of the IOL lens. I did not have a pre-op Corneal Topography w/ iTrace to evaluate so I would ask for this in the future. BTW 3 doctors assured me that I had the perfect surgery with a very centered lens and perfect refractive power. That is maybe the missing link because the lens may need to be aligned differently according to your Corneal Topography vs. centered. One size does not fit all.

Here are articles that explain that more. Again can't post links but google:
How to Reduce Higher-Order Aberrations
Understanding spherical aberration
USING ANGLE ALPHA IN PREMIUM IOL SCREENING
Positive Dysphotopsia After Toric Trifocal IOL Implantation
Can't Get No Satisfaction: Post-cataract Surgery Dysphotopsias

I have tried the Vuity drops like you with same results. I was interested in the contact lenses you tried but sounds like that wasn't helpful. I am also trying drops that dilate my eyes because when I get dilated in the Doc office the pulsating vision goes away. I have tried with my Doc's advice OTC, Naphcon A which dilates your pupils slightly and it does offer some relief. Again, for me all is good outdoors on a bright sunny day when the light is not coming in at an angle but is overall and my eyes are dialated. Another thing that helps is to occlude (block) one eye, either eye, and the pulsating vision goes away. I have tried wearing a patch but then all gets blurred because I nee both eyes to focus.

I think Time healing option is a caveat, Optic capture a crap shoot and from most specialists I have talked to, IOL explant/exchange the consistent solution that would solve PD. All say they would also use a silicone lens, like Bausch + Lomb L161. It has rounded edges, less prone to developing PCO and is not reflective like acrylic. For me unfortunately it will be giving up the Multi-Focal I have for Mono - 1 distance. Not happy about that because I do see 20/30 in the doc office and outside. It becomes a quality of vision decision for indoors when it becomes vision that pulsates and is in soft focus. I cannot see peoples faces clearly, read street signs and text has a soft blur around it.

I have talked to many specialists and will list them here as well as informative forums I have visited;
Dr Fram, Advanced Vision Care
Dr. Robert Bailey, Wills Eye Center
Dr. Safran, NJ
Dr Foster, Eye Center No. Colorado
Dr. Olsen, Moran Eye Center

Forums to google:
Patient.Info - Panoptix Experience

Patient.Info - flickering-sensation-after-cataract-surgery

I hope this helps. I am happy to answer any more questions. It is hard to navigate this eye world as a novice but vision is so important, that I keep digging through the weeds. I wish I had done this much research before a procedure that I was told by so many, including my DR., would give me perfect vision.

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This was written in May 2022. What has happened since?

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After having cataract surgery in both eyes over 6 months ago, and going from 20/20 vision to the present 20/70 I highly recommend getting a second opinion when an eye doctor recommends cataract surgery. I truly believe that my surgery was unnecessary and was only performed because I am on Medicare. My Opthamologist double and triple billed my Medicare insurance company for items he had made me pay out of pocket for. Even after having laser surgery done to clear up the post surgery massive scarring, I still have days where I feel like I’m looking through a foggy window. What I would give to go back in time and refuse the surgery. As patients we tend to trust our medical professionals more than they deserve to be trusted. From now on I will go for second opinions, even third ones before I let another unscrupulous and greedy physician mislead me into surgery. My eyesight that had allowed me to enjoy my drawing, crafting and reading passions in life has been stolen from me due to my botched and most likely unnecessary cataract surgery. I welcome any recommendations on how I can regain my wonderful sight back!

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@beesmom

After having cataract surgery in both eyes over 6 months ago, and going from 20/20 vision to the present 20/70 I highly recommend getting a second opinion when an eye doctor recommends cataract surgery. I truly believe that my surgery was unnecessary and was only performed because I am on Medicare. My Opthamologist double and triple billed my Medicare insurance company for items he had made me pay out of pocket for. Even after having laser surgery done to clear up the post surgery massive scarring, I still have days where I feel like I’m looking through a foggy window. What I would give to go back in time and refuse the surgery. As patients we tend to trust our medical professionals more than they deserve to be trusted. From now on I will go for second opinions, even third ones before I let another unscrupulous and greedy physician mislead me into surgery. My eyesight that had allowed me to enjoy my drawing, crafting and reading passions in life has been stolen from me due to my botched and most likely unnecessary cataract surgery. I welcome any recommendations on how I can regain my wonderful sight back!

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Find a corneal surgeon and have a lens exchange. My doctor pushed multifocal lenses on me and I’ve had problems ever since. When he ignored my positive dystophotopsia and proceeded like nothing was wrong it crushed me. I couldn’t believe a doctor would let a patient live with all those visual disturbances.
Luckily I was able to find a surgeon to do a lens exchange. Going to mono focal. So I’ll have to wear glasses. It’s better than halos, starburst and haze.

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@cmannconso

I decided not to go back to my original surgeon and went to another opthamologist for my (other)right eye. I described to him and the staff my problem. He looked and said it was a wrinkle not positive dysphotopsia. Come into this other room and I'll laser it for 15 seconds.
I did and my ray is gone. All that anguish gone in 15 seconds.
I was lucky I did not have my eyes done 2 weeks apart from the same surgeon.
My second opinion solved the problem. It gave me great satisfaction to cancel the checkup appointment with the first guy.
I scheduled my next surgery for the beginning of August with Dr. Kenneth Miller in Whippany, New Jersey.

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Where was the wrinkle?

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Last year in March at the well established Pepose Vision Institute here in St. Louis. I had a $6,000.00 RX Sight LAL (Light Adjustable Lens) 20.0 D implanted be Dr. Pepose, in my left eye and immediately developed ND.

The following procedures have been done to my poor butchered left eye since then. : /

- a Reverse Optic Capture was performed at WashU. This diminished the shadow and transformed it to a blurry area of light non focused by the IOL. It’s like the frame on an eyeglass lens effect only it moves with the eye.

- Next a YAG capsulotomy (bad idea) that Dr. Pepose stopped mid procedure to reexamine the eye with slit lamp and then finished, subsequently the posterior capsule was not opened enough, confirmed by Dr. Gira at Ophthalmology consultants, inducing glaring light streaks.

- another YAG capsulotomy at Washington University in St. Louis to open up posterior capsule more and more evenly to correct the light streaks created by not making a good opening that was large enough - that had been done by the brilliant Dr. Jay Pepose who again, originally convinced me I needed cataract surgery in the first place, even though my real issue was vitreous opacities, aka floaters.

- Next Vitrectomy, to clear up the floaters and clouds in the eye - which it had to begin with, before cataract surgery with a crystalline natural lens that was not very clouded, in an eye with >= 20/20 acuity - but was told the vitreous opacity (floater cloud) was cataract. Post YAG’s I developed PVD (vitreous detachment) which increased the floaters. I also have right eye with cloud floaters. But the acuity is 20/15. Both eyes had LASIK 12 years ago.

- Next YAG pitting of the edge to ostensibly diffuse light from edge of the silicone RX Sight lens was tried twice with some minor improvement the first time and the second time made it worse than before producing arcs across from oblique light sources.

- Next and lastly on March 22 this year the RX Sight LAL was now explanted and a new Lucia 602 was implanted in the sulcus, behind the iris - as I was assured that would most likely be the final solution for the peripheral photopsia.

- Post last surgery developed corneal edema that went on for 3 weeks. That finally cleared up which brings the photopsia back into front stage.

The eye is now in worse shape than before surgery. The lens power was dropped from 20.0 Diopter to 19.0 because it was moved to sulcus. I have lost distance, and central acuity. Back to glasses for good distance vision and depth perception. I'm an avid tournament ballplayer that has now struggled mightily for the last two seasons to stay off the bench.

I now have floaters in the eye again, some pitch black ones that are most annoying. Worst of all I still have left peripheral blur/blob from left sourced peripheral light hitting my nasal retina.

All of the solutions they try seem to be hacks, yes hacks, that do not address the core issue, that of replacement lenses at 5-6.5 mm diameter that simply are not nearly the same diameter as the natural lens which is 9-9.5 mm. Current replacement lens optics in use are smaller in diameter than the natural lens. There are many light ray tracing studies that clearly model the issue of oblique peripheral light crossing the eye to the nasal retina, passing across the lens and emanating either from the edge of the lens light or bypassing the edge of the lens and hitting the nasal retina. The current state of FDA approved lense in the United States seem to be way behind. There are perhaps better lenses that perform better available outside the US. I'm going to see at least one or two more doctors, perhaps Dr. Safran in New Jersey, before I decide whether or not to go abroad for help. It's extremely disheartening to feel like I'm living in the third world of ophthalmology.

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