Tired of living

Posted by thisismarilynb @thisismarilynb, Apr 17, 2023

When I wake up each morning I am not grateful. For me life is not worth living. I had a miserable childhood and was traumatized by an abusive mother. I finally left home and went far away by myself to try and make a life. To a degree I was successful. I was fortunate to meet a wonderful man and we were married for 59 years before his death. Even so I have never been able to make friends or be comfortable in meeting people. I shrink from going into crowds. Now I am alone. I am 88 years old and am sick and tired of living. The only sure thing I know is that I will not do away with myself.

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@ricm58

Really agree that life wasn't meant to be easy.

It just puzzles me, the degree to which media, advertising etc sell images of total happiness and pleasure.

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I read some of your comments and I don’t know why you were listed under tired of living..you did everything right from leaving your abusive mother, finding the right man and getting a lifetime with him, living right so you are healthy and well into your eighties and last but not least you’re going on a cruise…I can’t think of anything to say other than “bravo “ and keep up the good work.

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@frouke

I read some of your comments and I don’t know why you were listed under tired of living..you did everything right from leaving your abusive mother, finding the right man and getting a lifetime with him, living right so you are healthy and well into your eighties and last but not least you’re going on a cruise…I can’t think of anything to say other than “bravo “ and keep up the good work.

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Thank you for your kind words. One of the things about reaching such an old age is that you have outlived everybody.

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@brutusthebear

Yea! I own a lot of lakeshore and 52 acres in Danbury, WI… 50 minutes to Duluth, MN and love to drive the route61 up to Canada! I am in the Twin Cities,MN at this time. You are a “Smart Cookie” so I don’t need to suggest to bring warm clothes! Seems to always be cold up there. Really difficult to find a truely good doctor. My mother passed away just under three years ago and she did her best to stay away from them. If she had at least been doing yearly blood work, her kidney failure could have been discovered earlier. Guess there has to be a balance and it sounds like you are doing well at that! Good for you not letting them tell you how your going to manage your health!😊👍

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I know the cold in that area. I was born and raised in Winnipeg. I did explore going back to Winnipeg because a lot of my family is there, but I was warned against it. They felt I could not survive there during the winter as I have been in Southern California for so long.

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@thisismarilynb

I read your words and I know they are true - except I can't quite believe them. That is my problem. I was working with a therapist. She has a family emergency right now so I haven't spoken to her for a while. In the past I have tried a couple of times to go to a group which I thought might be interesting, but it just didn't work. The last time was with a Red Hat group. Went to a luncheon and just sat a table by myself. That's when I said never again. I also had a try at organizing. There was this theater that presented various artists - plays, musicals, etc. For a group we could get tickets at a reduced price. I called people, went to the theater to pick up the tickets, went to everyone's house to deliver the tickets and pick up the money. All I got was a thank you. They all made plans to go out to eat afterwards but I was not included. I did this several times and it always turned out the same, so I stopped. Not one person called to ask if there was another performance coming up. Hard to feel you are worthwhile with that kind of treatment. So, yes, now I am alone. However next week I am going on a cruise with one of the women who lives here. She is also a widow. Short cruise of the Great Lakes. Very nervous about it but I am going.

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WAIT!! Don't say to YOURSELF, "Hard to feel you are worthwhile with that kind of treatment." Don't you see the illogical conclusion?
Really, try to look at this situation as someone who just came from Mars. I don't want to take you to my way but would want YOU to be able to see For your Sake, that something is not right. And once you see that, YOU 'll say, "Ha...I've been thinking wrong all along!" And THAT will give you a first doze of VALUE that say you cannot find in YOU. I'll stop it here because in life lots of time it's these little insights and clever ways of looking at things that give US value; that I know something that no therapist/friend/neighbor has not been able to.
My good fellow human, I think we got it wrong when we attach OUR value with OTHER people's view about us unless those Other people can Convince YOU that your action/remark/idea WAS indeed worthy. This is what Socrates did EVEN when the Oracle said he was the wisest man in Athens.

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But that is exactly what I have been doing. I know that something is not right. I feel that I am different or I wouldn't have these relationship issues. I do not feel "normal." But how am I thinking wrong? It happens time after time. So you retreat into yourself and life is lonely, especially now. I have visited a couple of those facilities for independent and assisted living. Not a place I want to live. In fact other people have told me that I am a worthwhile person. So that is not the problem. It all comes back to me. This is trauma from my mother that I carry around to this day. She is why I was able to leave my family, friends and life so I could get away from her. I was finally able to tell her to her face that I no longer wanted to have anything to do with her - and I didn't. Didn't even go to her funeral. However there is some pain that lasts forever. My therapist said I have PTSD because of childhood trauma. I think about this a lot. I think I just have to learn to live with myself the way I am. Yes, it is a lonely existence, but I know no other way.
Thank you for your concern.

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@thisismarilynb

I read your words and I know they are true - except I can't quite believe them. That is my problem. I was working with a therapist. She has a family emergency right now so I haven't spoken to her for a while. In the past I have tried a couple of times to go to a group which I thought might be interesting, but it just didn't work. The last time was with a Red Hat group. Went to a luncheon and just sat a table by myself. That's when I said never again. I also had a try at organizing. There was this theater that presented various artists - plays, musicals, etc. For a group we could get tickets at a reduced price. I called people, went to the theater to pick up the tickets, went to everyone's house to deliver the tickets and pick up the money. All I got was a thank you. They all made plans to go out to eat afterwards but I was not included. I did this several times and it always turned out the same, so I stopped. Not one person called to ask if there was another performance coming up. Hard to feel you are worthwhile with that kind of treatment. So, yes, now I am alone. However next week I am going on a cruise with one of the women who lives here. She is also a widow. Short cruise of the Great Lakes. Very nervous about it but I am going.

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Thanks for writing to me....you can see from all the responses that we are not alone in dealing with these feelings. A friend once said...love yourself! What? How do you do that? It took a great therapist to show me how to see my value. That feeling doesn't come to us when we use other people's behavior to indicate our worth.
You are a sharp gal, feisty, and have various interests, but more importantly, you already have the spirit to try.
You will be almost in my backyard when you get to Lake Michigan! Look around you and enjoy the views...and the cruise food. That sounds like a delightful trip.
Get those juices flowing and tackle the medical community when you get back. Have a great trip.💞

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@thisismarilynb

Thank you for your kind words. One of the things about reaching such an old age is that you have outlived everybody.

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Did it ever occur to you everyday someone dies, moves away, becomes a different person that who u knew...there is a new person who is born, moves in your town, or changes into a new person? You only outlive Because you're having more LIFE...obviously you don't Desire shorter life...all healthcare is to promote longer lives and healthier. We can't all be 'Golden Girls' but we don't have be witty enough to have a claim on longer life. A life can be interesting (make it very Bold letters) only to the extent we CAN make it so. Now I'll be admitting I have NOT found a friend with whom I cannot chat about issues that interest me: mental health, is there such a thing as too much healthcare, are poor more violent even as much of the world is still poor+++? I went to two new places in the last week to find out if there are folks who are interested in similar topics...or some other such as Times puzzles like Hard Sudoku. I cannot not stop, life without meaningful social connection is wilted and wanting. But I CAN take care of my health, my cat finances...things I have full control. Remember Viktor Frankl of Man's Search for Meaning? A four-time holocaust survivor tells why life was still worth living in those camps! Logotherapy is his approach to lfe.

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@brutusthebear

I just found a couple of your other messages. Thank you so much. I have so much to live for and I know that and now buying a house back in a suburban area and out of the woods is so wonderfully good for me. I moved up to my lake home about eight years ago in northwestern Wisconsin and summers are amazingly beautiful but winters are just horrid! I’ve been away from my son for a few days now and my mind has been clearing. I keep thinking that I can get him to quit drinking and I know that’s not true. I’m sorry to hear that you did not have a good childhood. The longer my parents are gone the more I appreciate everything they did for me. It was 1957 and they were both in their senior year of high school and found out my mother was pregnant! And my mother did not want to marry my father but they got married . He was a very successful businessman that started at precision machine shop and even had top-secret clearance with the government. And my mom was a flighty artist! What a funny couple and they were both alcoholics but not abusive. I Have been listening to Holocaust survivor testimonials the last couple of months and I am just amazed at how close the majority of these families were and how they survived through losing their loved ones or the majority of their loved ones.

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What a beautiful and inspiring post. I smiled ..I was a senior in high school in 1957 too! Your parents sound delightful, and they certainly loved you.

To share a bit...one of my sons was addicted to cocaine for about 25 years. He is now 62 and has been clean for over ten years. Let the anguish go...I spent years trying 'to save him,' and after some of his friends died...he realized he had to work the NA program and that only when he said enough is enough would he stop. I have to look at his life now and say....he is happy...and I don't look for anything from him but am thankful for what I get. He was so bright but dropped out of college...and now he struggles financially. My Dad was an alcoholic, too...but that is another story.

There is an age for the woods and an age for the suburbs. You sound as though you have a pretty good handle on things. It is hard, but we have to let our offspring wake up.

Ah!!! I hope you still kept the lake home...tough to beat Mother Nature!! Be well with yourself.💞

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@brutusthebear

I just found a couple of your other messages. Thank you so much. I have so much to live for and I know that and now buying a house back in a suburban area and out of the woods is so wonderfully good for me. I moved up to my lake home about eight years ago in northwestern Wisconsin and summers are amazingly beautiful but winters are just horrid! I’ve been away from my son for a few days now and my mind has been clearing. I keep thinking that I can get him to quit drinking and I know that’s not true. I’m sorry to hear that you did not have a good childhood. The longer my parents are gone the more I appreciate everything they did for me. It was 1957 and they were both in their senior year of high school and found out my mother was pregnant! And my mother did not want to marry my father but they got married . He was a very successful businessman that started at precision machine shop and even had top-secret clearance with the government. And my mom was a flighty artist! What a funny couple and they were both alcoholics but not abusive. I Have been listening to Holocaust survivor testimonials the last couple of months and I am just amazed at how close the majority of these families were and how they survived through losing their loved ones or the majority of their loved ones.

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I neglected to mention the Holocaust survivors--they are amazing examples of what determination, love, and perseverance can accomplish. These qualities can serve as examples to all of us dealing with the unknowns in our journeys.💞

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@brutusthebear

My mother was an oil painter and just plain had talent she was born with! Now, this new house is by a senior center and I would really like to do a Bob Ross class. Did you ever see him on PBS?
So enjoy talking with you and so appreciate sharing! Going to bed now and bless your night… you have made a difference in my life today…!🌺🧚🏻

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Before life changed directions...I just knew I wanted to paint to try to put the beauty I saw in nature on canvas, so I took an oils class back in the late 90s. I probably learned the most when I thought I'd tackle a portrait of Michael Jordan! Now many years later, I've settled on watercolors.
I figure each day I have so many pockets of energy and now use them doing things that please me. When I paint, I lose track of time and forget everything.
A hobby or interest of some kind can keep us going in a positive direction, I think. We all can find ours if we look.
Thanks for your kind words!💞🎨

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