Whipple procedure: What is the recovery like?

Posted by salledell @salledell, Sep 9, 2019

Has anyone had the Whipple procedure, and how long did it take to start eating fairly normally again? And how long did it take to regain enough strength to resume fairly normal activities like some gardening, driving, and shopping?

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@mikewdby

Question for the Group: I am seeing the GREAT medical staff at Rochester Mayo. Previously from a non-contrast MRI in June, an 3.5 cm lesion was noted. A followup EUS was done. It did not have the characteristics of a cancerous growth and my CA was ‘16’. Yesterday I went back to Mayo for a follow CONTRAST MRCP. The results showed a possible increase in size to 4 cm - but they said it it nor certain due to the various angles and ‘slices’ of magnetic images (does that make sense). Yesterday my CA count was ‘15’. Still no cancer present.

The ‘team’ is consulting on Monday to determine if another EUS should be done to confirm size - and determine, if too risky, for even a sample can take place.

If growth is seemingly taking place, the doctors will discuss if Whipple surgery should be done….

HERE IS MY Questions:
1). Are Whipple surgery done to remove a large non-cancerous cyst?
2). Why would it be too risky to biopsy during an EUS.
3). How long does it take for a cyst to become cancerous?
4). What is the success rate for resection of a non-cancerous cyst using Whipple?
5). What is the death rate for Whipple surgery?
6). What is the Recovery time and process?

I know,…many questions. Would especially like to hear from (if any) who had Whipple for non-cancerous pancreatic lesions. Thank you.

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1). Non-cancerous cysts such as IPMN’s can be precancerous, particularly if they are present in the main duct or communicate with the main duct. They can increase in size blocking a duct leading to acute pancreatitis and over time can become chronic and potentially become pancreatic cancer.

2). Risk associated with doing a biopsy depends on the location of the cyst. If the cyst is in the main duct in the head of the pancreas, it is less of a challenge then in the network of branch ducts which progressively get smaller. There is risk of creating pancreatitis in doing a biopsy on ducal cysts.

3). IPMN’s are generally slow growing and take years to transform into malignancy. It also depends how long the IPMN was present before it was discovered. When an IPMN is detected on imaging, it often is found incidentally. It could have been present for quite some time. The IPMN’s in the main duct are the ones with a higher propensity towards malignancy. The IPMN’s in branch ducts can become problematic just from increasing size that results in ductal dilation. If the digestive enzymes get blocked from reaching the intestine and become activated, it leads to excruciating pain as the pancreatic disease is being digested by the enzymes.

4). The Whipple procedure has been around since 1935. The surgeon who will be doing the procedure is the one to ask regarding outcomes on the patients he/she treated. Speaking for myself, I underwent a Whipple in 2012. I had no complications, had a smooth recovery and live normally. I only take supplemental enzymes when I have meals containing fat to ensure complete digestion.

5). Mortality rate is very low for the Whipple. Where I had my Whipple done, it was 0.3% for that medical center. Again that figure will be specific to the institution and surgeon. The recommendation is to go to a high-volume center where the surgeon has done a significant number of Whipples per year. I believe PanCan.org recommends at least 90/year. PanCan.org and provide names of institutions, surgeons and data on mortality rates. Call 877.272.6226, M-F, 7:00am-5:00pm, PT.

6). Recovery time is specific to the patient. Physical status is a major factor. Co-morbidities plays a role. The better shape one is in, the shorter the recovery. The amount of time under anesthesia plays a role. The longer the anesthesia, the longer the recovery. I was back traveling making long trips by airplane after 8 weeks. Some people will take much longer. Again it depends on the physical condition and health prior to surgery and maintaining exercise and a positive outlook during recovery that will factor in to feeling better.

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@stageivsurvivor

1). Non-cancerous cysts such as IPMN’s can be precancerous, particularly if they are present in the main duct or communicate with the main duct. They can increase in size blocking a duct leading to acute pancreatitis and over time can become chronic and potentially become pancreatic cancer.

2). Risk associated with doing a biopsy depends on the location of the cyst. If the cyst is in the main duct in the head of the pancreas, it is less of a challenge then in the network of branch ducts which progressively get smaller. There is risk of creating pancreatitis in doing a biopsy on ducal cysts.

3). IPMN’s are generally slow growing and take years to transform into malignancy. It also depends how long the IPMN was present before it was discovered. When an IPMN is detected on imaging, it often is found incidentally. It could have been present for quite some time. The IPMN’s in the main duct are the ones with a higher propensity towards malignancy. The IPMN’s in branch ducts can become problematic just from increasing size that results in ductal dilation. If the digestive enzymes get blocked from reaching the intestine and become activated, it leads to excruciating pain as the pancreatic disease is being digested by the enzymes.

4). The Whipple procedure has been around since 1935. The surgeon who will be doing the procedure is the one to ask regarding outcomes on the patients he/she treated. Speaking for myself, I underwent a Whipple in 2012. I had no complications, had a smooth recovery and live normally. I only take supplemental enzymes when I have meals containing fat to ensure complete digestion.

5). Mortality rate is very low for the Whipple. Where I had my Whipple done, it was 0.3% for that medical center. Again that figure will be specific to the institution and surgeon. The recommendation is to go to a high-volume center where the surgeon has done a significant number of Whipples per year. I believe PanCan.org recommends at least 90/year. PanCan.org and provide names of institutions, surgeons and data on mortality rates. Call 877.272.6226, M-F, 7:00am-5:00pm, PT.

6). Recovery time is specific to the patient. Physical status is a major factor. Co-morbidities plays a role. The better shape one is in, the shorter the recovery. The amount of time under anesthesia plays a role. The longer the anesthesia, the longer the recovery. I was back traveling making long trips by airplane after 8 weeks. Some people will take much longer. Again it depends on the physical condition and health prior to surgery and maintaining exercise and a positive outlook during recovery that will factor in to feeling better.

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THANK YOU so much for taking the time and effort to Reply….it really means a great deal to me.

I am seeing the doctors at Mayo Rochester who preforms 450 Whipple annually. Currently it’s said to be benign - but I’m the type of person who says “well then let’s get it OUT of there”,…LOL

Have a Blessed Day my new friend.

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@mikewdby

Question for the Group: I am seeing the GREAT medical staff at Rochester Mayo. Previously from a non-contrast MRI in June, an 3.5 cm lesion was noted. A followup EUS was done. It did not have the characteristics of a cancerous growth and my CA was ‘16’. Yesterday I went back to Mayo for a follow CONTRAST MRCP. The results showed a possible increase in size to 4 cm - but they said it it nor certain due to the various angles and ‘slices’ of magnetic images (does that make sense). Yesterday my CA count was ‘15’. Still no cancer present.

The ‘team’ is consulting on Monday to determine if another EUS should be done to confirm size - and determine, if too risky, for even a sample can take place.

If growth is seemingly taking place, the doctors will discuss if Whipple surgery should be done….

HERE IS MY Questions:
1). Are Whipple surgery done to remove a large non-cancerous cyst?
2). Why would it be too risky to biopsy during an EUS.
3). How long does it take for a cyst to become cancerous?
4). What is the success rate for resection of a non-cancerous cyst using Whipple?
5). What is the death rate for Whipple surgery?
6). What is the Recovery time and process?

I know,…many questions. Would especially like to hear from (if any) who had Whipple for non-cancerous pancreatic lesions. Thank you.

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@mikewdby
Hello There!

I had a surprise 'incidental finding' on a CT Abdomen done in the ER in August; looking for an ulcer, as I had horrible burning pain in the epigastric region. Endoscopy confirmed I did have a marginal ulcer. But..... the attending radiologist (Mayo Clinic Florida) found an IPMN 2 cm solid enhancing non-malignant cystic mass in the head of the pancreas on that CT August 10, '22. As I am blessed to work in Radiology @Mayo Florida; immediately was scheduled for MR Pancreas, which confirmed this mass. Scheduled the next week for consultation with THE pancreatic surgeon most highly esteemed and has done a vast amount of pancreatic surgeries. His nurse scheduled my Whipple procedure for Nov 7, '22. The ball got rolling very swiftly and I am beyond grateful - have worked through the anxiety that came with this new finding, although still have a roller coaster of emotions, facing this open invasive surgery in less than 3 weeks. BUT....since this was caught very early the surgeon is very confident Whipple surgery will ensure a great outcome. Of course, there is the intraoperative biopsy(ies) to await results of, but I have faith that everything will be clear. No symptoms whatsoever associated with this cystic mass. I will know my CA number on 10.24 with labs. It is very crucial for your body to keep a positive outlook - worrying never helps with anything we face in this life, medically or otherwise. I strive to live for the moment and for today. And above ALL, trust that God is in control. It is very evident to me that HE had me go to the ER that night in August in such pain; the ER attending physician ordered the CT Abdomen.....I would not have known this pre-malignant cyst even existed, had it not been for the insight of this wonderful ER physician's decision to order the CT.

I do not have answers to your questions, but am positive that your Mayo physicians will be happy to answer them all. Always remember that we are all so different in anatomy and such...everyone's experience will not be the same pre and post-op. I do have the same questions you asked. When I met with the oncology surgeon in consultation, I was too stunned to speak and did not know the questions to ask. I will address more questions at my preoperative appointments in late October.

I pray the best outcome for you and can fully relate to your present health situation. It is the 'unknown' that is the most difficult.

My best to you! Prayers for you as well!!!

Victoria

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I ( 50 year )had undergone whipple surgery for pancreatic tumor non cancerous in April 2022.There is acute pain while coughing /sneezing up to 3 month after operation. After that that type of pain disappeared. I have also loss weight from 85 kg to 70 kg after surgery. The only problem remaining is 3 to 4 times lube potty in a day particularly after meal. Also my CGA level gone continuously up to 3300 level without any tumor development. Excluding that there is no other issue.I can walk easily 3 to 4 km.My weight is roaming around 71 .5 to 73 kg now after 6 month of surgery

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@sanjaykumar1

I ( 50 year )had undergone whipple surgery for pancreatic tumor non cancerous in April 2022.There is acute pain while coughing /sneezing up to 3 month after operation. After that that type of pain disappeared. I have also loss weight from 85 kg to 70 kg after surgery. The only problem remaining is 3 to 4 times lube potty in a day particularly after meal. Also my CGA level gone continuously up to 3300 level without any tumor development. Excluding that there is no other issue.I can walk easily 3 to 4 km.My weight is roaming around 71 .5 to 73 kg now after 6 month of surgery

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Hi Sanjay, thank you for sharing your experience.

Where was your procedure done?

Any explanation by the doctors for your CGA level?

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@victoriadukes

@mikewdby
Hello There!

I had a surprise 'incidental finding' on a CT Abdomen done in the ER in August; looking for an ulcer, as I had horrible burning pain in the epigastric region. Endoscopy confirmed I did have a marginal ulcer. But..... the attending radiologist (Mayo Clinic Florida) found an IPMN 2 cm solid enhancing non-malignant cystic mass in the head of the pancreas on that CT August 10, '22. As I am blessed to work in Radiology @Mayo Florida; immediately was scheduled for MR Pancreas, which confirmed this mass. Scheduled the next week for consultation with THE pancreatic surgeon most highly esteemed and has done a vast amount of pancreatic surgeries. His nurse scheduled my Whipple procedure for Nov 7, '22. The ball got rolling very swiftly and I am beyond grateful - have worked through the anxiety that came with this new finding, although still have a roller coaster of emotions, facing this open invasive surgery in less than 3 weeks. BUT....since this was caught very early the surgeon is very confident Whipple surgery will ensure a great outcome. Of course, there is the intraoperative biopsy(ies) to await results of, but I have faith that everything will be clear. No symptoms whatsoever associated with this cystic mass. I will know my CA number on 10.24 with labs. It is very crucial for your body to keep a positive outlook - worrying never helps with anything we face in this life, medically or otherwise. I strive to live for the moment and for today. And above ALL, trust that God is in control. It is very evident to me that HE had me go to the ER that night in August in such pain; the ER attending physician ordered the CT Abdomen.....I would not have known this pre-malignant cyst even existed, had it not been for the insight of this wonderful ER physician's decision to order the CT.

I do not have answers to your questions, but am positive that your Mayo physicians will be happy to answer them all. Always remember that we are all so different in anatomy and such...everyone's experience will not be the same pre and post-op. I do have the same questions you asked. When I met with the oncology surgeon in consultation, I was too stunned to speak and did not know the questions to ask. I will address more questions at my preoperative appointments in late October.

I pray the best outcome for you and can fully relate to your present health situation. It is the 'unknown' that is the most difficult.

My best to you! Prayers for you as well!!!

Victoria

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Victoria, THANK YOU for responding and sharing your Faith. I too am religious, but trying each day to remind myself to surrender to God (Jesus you take care of it - also called the Surrender Prayer.

Ironically my doctors told me that they may have us drive from our Florida home in Ft. Myers (we escaped without damage) to Jacksonville Mayo for a follow MRCP. I dreaded the thought of the 6 hour drive,..but now that I know you might be there, that will give me the incentive.

Prayers also to you. I will think of you and pray that Jesus provides both of us with His Love, Mercy and Trust in His will.

~ Mike Zakrzewski
Woodbury MN / Estero FL

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@mikewdby

Hi Sanjay, thank you for sharing your experience.

Where was your procedure done?

Any explanation by the doctors for your CGA level?

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Procedure was done at New Delhi ( India). For high cga level ,as Dota pet scan is ok, the doctor said no issue and will wait for next 3 months

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Hello everyone.

On October 15, 2022 I underwent a successful Whipple to remove an MNC, plus a bilateral oopherectomy (both ovaries removed) to remove an ovarian cyst. Still awaiting biopsy results but have had good recovery.

The incision runs from my sternum to my pelvis, and I had a drain installed on my lower right side to measure amylase levels associated with post-OP pancreatic leakage. Amylase levels dropped from 10,000 to 600 over 5 days so drain was removed. The incision site pain was initially managed with fentanyl and morphine via a main line drip, but I am now down to a combo of paracetamol and anti-inflammatories which are working well.

Hardest aspect thus far, is reintroducing solid foods. I experience a fair bit of nausea (treated with Gravol and Kyrel) and a delayed bowel emptying (treated with Maximol), now thankfully resolved. I have been wearing compression socks since my surgery and have endured the daily labs to check my pancreas, kidney and liver function. I have been sitting out in a special armchair from 2 days post-OP and have also been taking short walks to reduce the likelihood of blood clots.

My surgeon expects I can go home tomorrow which is a week earlier than expected. It is critical to have an excellent surgical team that sees you through the post-op process and to stay positive. My surgeon visited me up to 3 times daily which was very reassuring. So, so far so good.

If you are religious, this is also a good time to lean on your faith for strength and patience as the recovery period after hospitalization is 8 or more weeks.

Wishing all considering the Whipple procedure the best possible outcomes.

P.S. My procedure was done in Barbados at a cost of about US$40,000. Luckily insurance will cover a portion of this.

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Does anyone have an opinion on doing chemo before a whipple surgery?

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@savanna22

Does anyone have an opinion on doing chemo before a whipple surgery?

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My surgery is next week. They are taking out my spleen and part of my pancreas. I had chemo before surgery. The chemo helps shrink the tumor and any other chemo cells before surgery

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