Need to find out what's wrong with me

Posted by jeffrow @jeffrow, Dec 1, 2017

To whom it may concern,

My name is Jeff, I am a 38 year old male, and I have the life style and general well being of what would be expected of a 90 year old man in poor health. I've been seeing doctors here in Orlando, and getting test after test, and panel after panel of blood work, and no one can seem to come up with an answer, other than the fact that I have been exposed to the Ebstine Barr virus in the past. I've also had IBS and CFS thrown into the diagnosis, and the classic depression diagnosis as well. But it's a cop out, they don't have an answer, and yes I do have some depression but I think after years of feeling terrible and spending thousands on Doctor visits and procedures and testing anyone would be a little depressed.

Sorry I'm ranting :0)

Here's the deal...

About 10 years ago this all started with chronic sinus infections when I moved back to Florida from New Mexico. I had a constant sinus infection from 2007 till 2011 and saw many different doctors and specialist. I had septum surgery and remained on antibiotics and steroids for most of that 5 year period, I was never off these medications for more than 2 weeks max. Finally, I self diagnosed a fungal infection that I read about that people can get in their sinuses and took a brief round of Diflucan. That was the silver bullet for that issue, but during that time period I developed incredible fatigue and weight loss, I thought I was going to die. But, I figured it was due to the over use of antibiotics, so since 2011 I've being countering with probiotics and a pretty substantial amount of vitamin supplements. I wouldn't call it "Megadosing" but quit a bit, I take a multi, extra 1000mg of C and a Zinc/Magnesium/Calcium. I also take a half of a Zyrtec once in the morning and once in the evening.

Also, this might be significant. I was prescribed an awful drug called Effexor XR back in the late 90's for anxiety. I thought the side effects (which are substantial) might be contributing to my condition with the sinus infections so a began to wean off about 2009 and was off completely by 2013. Again, this is a terrible medication with horrendous side effects, especially when getting off, so the fact that I was on this stuff for so long might be an important factor. I do also take St. Johns Wart now because I was having severe panic attacks while coming off of the Effexor.

So anyway, I did marginally better from about 2013 till about a couple years ago. I didn't feel great, but I was for the most part functional and felt like I was managing my symptoms and felt optimistic that I was on the mend. But, as I mentioned I started having panic attacks a few years ago, sever ones that put me in the hospital twice. My blood went cold, my hands and feet went freezing and then went numb, I'd have a resting heart rate of about 220. these were terrifying, and they happened constantly though out the day. I was also having indigestion, so I had an endoscopy and it revealed that I had a bleeding ulcer, which the doctor thought might be contributing to the panic attacks. So, now I'm managing my symptoms with Colonzopan, not much now, I was taking a lot but the panic attacks have subsided drasticlly so I'm taking about .5 ml a day, mostly at night to help me sleep, and pantoprazole for the stomach, which I'm trying to get off, I've been on it for over a year.

Ok, so that's the last 2 years or so, this is where I'm at as of today. Every night my heart races at bed time which is when I take the Colonzopan. I'm constantly bloated and belching, even with the Colonzopan I never get a full night sleep, averaging about 4 hours. I'm up and down with all kinds of strange sensations, trouble breathing, hot/cold, stomach pains and nausea, panic attacks, racing heart, and other things that I can't even really describe. I urinate constantly, like every half hour. I've stopped sweating all together, no matter how hot I am, even though I'm usually not, I'm usually freezing cold, but my skin feels really hot. If you feel where I was laying down on the bed after I get up it's like there was a heating pad there. I'm obviously exhausted all day, I feel like I'm going to throw up and I feel like I'm going to collapse at any moment, I'm dizzy, my eye's are beat red all day. It's amazing I haven't been fired because they probably think I'm smoking weed. My left front side hurts constantly, right about at the bottom of my rib cage. My stomach constantly hurts and I can basically only eat oatmeal, even that gives me uncontrollable loud belching. I usually feel the worst in the mornings and evenings, after lunch I usually feel a little better, but still not well, I just don't feel like I'm going to pass out in the afternoon, usually. I have my not as bad days and my worse days.

Anyway, I've scoured the internet and asked all my various doctors and specialists about every possibility and know one seems to have any answers. I don't know if anyone will actually read this, I know there's a lot of these sorts of dialogue's on the internet and I sure didn't get anywhere by asking for help from Dr. Hyman. But if someone does read this, any help, guidance, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what else to do.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Autoimmune Diseases Support Group.

Inflammation comes to mind. Also there are certain antibiotics that can essentially cause multiple system atrophy. I'm sorry that you are experiencing so many difficulties without any apparent answers.

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@jimhd

@jeffrow

I have taken Clonazepam 1mg (Klonopin) for 13 years, at bedtime, for anxiety. I have idiopathic peripheral neuropathy, both small fiber neuropathy and autonomic neuropathy, for which I've been attempting to treat for several years. I had a spinal cord stimulator implant in June, which has reduced the burning pain in my feet.

Some of the symptoms you described are similar to those of autonomic neuropathy. I suppose that you or your doctors have considered that possibility.

I wish that I lived close to a Mayo Clinic. I think they would quite possibly figure out what's really going on with my health in a short period of time. Instead, I've moved at a snail's pace to learn that I don't have a lot of diseases, from a parade of specialists over the course of ten years. But, Oregon is a long way from any of their clinics.

I hope that you find solutions soon. It's not easy to live for years with symptoms such as yours. May you find good health in 2018.

Jim

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@ jimhd So now a neurologist did a ANSAR test and told me I have advanced autonomic neuropathy. Now I am going to do a gastro-emptying test on Thursday, which I think will show that I have gastroparesis. I have diabetes, but now unmediated because they say it's under control. I keep getting the run around. It's too much. I wanted to ask how you manage your autonomic neuropathy. I will add I did not trust this neurologist today and put a call in to a friend whose husband is one and I am hopeful that I can get more comprehensive testing and insight from him.

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Wow! Alot in common just in different ways. I also have the stomach issues and belching bad! Did u find anything else out? I am to return for another endoscopy in December.

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I want to add, as too many don't know, they tested negative, or had covid before anyone knew it was here, all of your above issues are ON the list of long covid symptoms. That you had them previously is why comorbidity is a factor with the virus.

You will not find one longhauler who has not been in your shoes. The high pulse, like me, can be POTS. burping like a sailor on leave drinking 25¢ beers is my new normal. Can barely control burping to even be polite. Guess it's good I'm rarely in public.

Anything that can get worse because of increased inflammation, will. All autoimmune issues can go thru the roof and stay there.

If you don't know if you had it, an IGG blood test (not antibody test which can be influenced by vaccine status) will be positive ONLY if you actually had covid - except sometimes if it's really high, it can mean you have a very active autoimmune thing going on, which of course is also COVID.y IGG, though I tested neg, was off the charts

Another test is your cytokine level. This will tell the degree of inflammation in your body. With some illnesses, like the CRPS I have and fibro too, my cytokine level is always elevated but COVID is like cytokine on steroids in my blood. Adrenal, cortisol etc activation results. Close to PTSD levels of symptoms of anxiety etc.

"Cytokine storm" is what kills people in the ICU with COVID. Not the virus itself. Our bodies response to it while fighting it off. Increased cytokine, bradykine, etc are normal when fighting of an infection/virus. With esp COVID, which is part of what makes it different in humans, our own bodies natural response, is what kills.

Did you have COVID when things blew up recently. To connect with longhaulers, who also go thru sometimes years now of testing with all normal results but many having exactly what you are and more, go to the Facebook group for longhaulers. You may find other weird things you didn't even notice or blew off as too weird to even mention to a doctor. Incontinence etc. Whodda thought? Inflammation affects every organ.

Esp now, with the status of people thinking it's over, doctors have moved past considering longhaulers or don't know enough about the possible hundreds of sequelae.

COVID settles whereever ACE receptors exist. Mostly lungs and stomach, hence new murderous GERD for some, as well as "IBS" symptoms. Fibro and chronic Fatique etc are very common new illnesses that are prevalent among longhaulers. It's very frustrating and also worthy of consideration. The milder the case of covid, which the last year can mean just calling it a cold, the higher the percentage of longhaulers. Right now, our ranks, and Disability claims are thru the roof. Long COVID, on a special list with Social security Disability to fast track thru, are swelling greatly! A mild case doesn't mean for ANYONE you will have a complete recovery. Many of us are seriously changed for life even when they were marathoners before. Post COVID syndrome covers all of your worsened symptoms. Sorry and worthy of adding to the mix for mental health frustration reasons if nothing else.

When you can't get diagnosed with a crazy basket of symptoms all at once, people need to think longhaulers, esp if vaccine didn't exist in your life or like me, in July of 2020, there was no vaccine. Most are a year or more doing rule out lab work with every single thing negative but clearly, worthy of doing until the tests are so obscure and expensive you are searching for a needle in a hay stack. Too many realizing when seeing the vast list of symptoms people are experiencing, it's too on the nose to not be it.

Best of luck. It's very frustrating and not enough people understand that longhaulers can happen even when you didn't even know you had it. Sometimes, the milder the case, the increased % risk. Right now, it's 30% who end up with post COVID syndrome and have a forever changed life. Suicides have also increased from frustration and inability to accept living in a now incredibly disabled body.

I didn't barely have even a cough the first three months until it travelled to my lungs, mostly just a sore throat for a month and a negative test but a huge flair of my pain condition. Low 02 in the high 80s. High pulse and BP over time with any activity. Eventually kidney stones probably from dehydration. A collapsed lung. Too many overweight people are being told if they lose weight they will be fine. (fat shaming is huge. Shame is huge among longhaulers.)

At this point after two infections with COVID, I sleep with oxygen and mostly bedridden deciding to get a wheelchair. Short of breath just walking to the kitchen. Can no longer empty the dishwasher even. Total constant Fatique. Too many don't understand or have felt like it wouldn't be them. Good luck.

There is a long COVID thread here but the FB group is seriously very active and asking questions there can give you hundreds of responses of "me too."

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@johnbishop

Hi Jeff (@jeffrow), welcome to Connect. I'm glad you found us and I'm hoping one of our members will be able to offer some suggestions for you or share their experience with their similar health problems. You certainly have a lot on your plate. Some days I can relate about feeling like a 90 year old but then at 74 I'm a lot closer than you are. You are doing a good thing here by asking questions and learning as much as you can.

I’m tagging other Connect members that may be able to provide you with more information. @JustinMcClanahan, @kdubois, @kanaazpereira, @lisalucier, @colleenyoung are you able to offer any suggestions for @jeffrow?

If it is a possibility to make an appointment at Mayo Clinic, they are extremely good a diagnosing hard to diagnose health issues. If you would like to seek help from Mayo Clinic, please call one of our appointment offices. The contact information for Minnesota, Arizona and Florida can be found here http://mayocl.in/1mtmR63.

The following TED talk by TED Fellow Jennifer Brea may be helpful:
“What happens when you have a disease doctors can’t diagnose” – TED talk by Jennifer Brea who became progressively ill with myalgic encephalomyelitis, commonly known as chronic fatigue syndrome.

https://www.ted.com/talks/jen_brea_what_happens_when_you_have_a_disease_doctors_can_t_diagnose

Hoping you find some answers soon.

John

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@johnbishop that Ted talk is great. I would love to show it to all my providers from over the years and family members. It has taken at least 16 years to be diagnosed with limited systemic sclerosis and my medical record also has "psychogenic" and "psychosomatic".
I can totally relate.

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@bebold

I want to add, as too many don't know, they tested negative, or had covid before anyone knew it was here, all of your above issues are ON the list of long covid symptoms. That you had them previously is why comorbidity is a factor with the virus.

You will not find one longhauler who has not been in your shoes. The high pulse, like me, can be POTS. burping like a sailor on leave drinking 25¢ beers is my new normal. Can barely control burping to even be polite. Guess it's good I'm rarely in public.

Anything that can get worse because of increased inflammation, will. All autoimmune issues can go thru the roof and stay there.

If you don't know if you had it, an IGG blood test (not antibody test which can be influenced by vaccine status) will be positive ONLY if you actually had covid - except sometimes if it's really high, it can mean you have a very active autoimmune thing going on, which of course is also COVID.y IGG, though I tested neg, was off the charts

Another test is your cytokine level. This will tell the degree of inflammation in your body. With some illnesses, like the CRPS I have and fibro too, my cytokine level is always elevated but COVID is like cytokine on steroids in my blood. Adrenal, cortisol etc activation results. Close to PTSD levels of symptoms of anxiety etc.

"Cytokine storm" is what kills people in the ICU with COVID. Not the virus itself. Our bodies response to it while fighting it off. Increased cytokine, bradykine, etc are normal when fighting of an infection/virus. With esp COVID, which is part of what makes it different in humans, our own bodies natural response, is what kills.

Did you have COVID when things blew up recently. To connect with longhaulers, who also go thru sometimes years now of testing with all normal results but many having exactly what you are and more, go to the Facebook group for longhaulers. You may find other weird things you didn't even notice or blew off as too weird to even mention to a doctor. Incontinence etc. Whodda thought? Inflammation affects every organ.

Esp now, with the status of people thinking it's over, doctors have moved past considering longhaulers or don't know enough about the possible hundreds of sequelae.

COVID settles whereever ACE receptors exist. Mostly lungs and stomach, hence new murderous GERD for some, as well as "IBS" symptoms. Fibro and chronic Fatique etc are very common new illnesses that are prevalent among longhaulers. It's very frustrating and also worthy of consideration. The milder the case of covid, which the last year can mean just calling it a cold, the higher the percentage of longhaulers. Right now, our ranks, and Disability claims are thru the roof. Long COVID, on a special list with Social security Disability to fast track thru, are swelling greatly! A mild case doesn't mean for ANYONE you will have a complete recovery. Many of us are seriously changed for life even when they were marathoners before. Post COVID syndrome covers all of your worsened symptoms. Sorry and worthy of adding to the mix for mental health frustration reasons if nothing else.

When you can't get diagnosed with a crazy basket of symptoms all at once, people need to think longhaulers, esp if vaccine didn't exist in your life or like me, in July of 2020, there was no vaccine. Most are a year or more doing rule out lab work with every single thing negative but clearly, worthy of doing until the tests are so obscure and expensive you are searching for a needle in a hay stack. Too many realizing when seeing the vast list of symptoms people are experiencing, it's too on the nose to not be it.

Best of luck. It's very frustrating and not enough people understand that longhaulers can happen even when you didn't even know you had it. Sometimes, the milder the case, the increased % risk. Right now, it's 30% who end up with post COVID syndrome and have a forever changed life. Suicides have also increased from frustration and inability to accept living in a now incredibly disabled body.

I didn't barely have even a cough the first three months until it travelled to my lungs, mostly just a sore throat for a month and a negative test but a huge flair of my pain condition. Low 02 in the high 80s. High pulse and BP over time with any activity. Eventually kidney stones probably from dehydration. A collapsed lung. Too many overweight people are being told if they lose weight they will be fine. (fat shaming is huge. Shame is huge among longhaulers.)

At this point after two infections with COVID, I sleep with oxygen and mostly bedridden deciding to get a wheelchair. Short of breath just walking to the kitchen. Can no longer empty the dishwasher even. Total constant Fatique. Too many don't understand or have felt like it wouldn't be them. Good luck.

There is a long COVID thread here but the FB group is seriously very active and asking questions there can give you hundreds of responses of "me too."

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"Me, too." Great analysis.

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Hi Jeff, wow dude! I’ve had some of your symptoms over the years - not at the same time, but yours are crazy, I can’t imagine. My sinuses were messed up for 10+ years, got hooked on oxy - (long story but all good now). Im 66 w/ sIBM (another long story).

Anyway; here are a few points that come to mind. 1st I have no medical training.
A. Read everything you can on the internet- you are your own best advocate
B. There are great doctors out there (I think they all care) but some are just way too busy - remember they are “practicing medicine”. I am so very lucky to be near the university of Kansas medical center - that’s been the biggest thing in my life - I even started a nonprofit to help fund research for my rare disease. http://Www.GettingUp.Org
C. Look at your liver and kidneys or (spinal tap to find west Nile, or something else strange)
D. And most importantly Pray - ask friends to pray for you, this power is greater than anything else - practice breathing - this may take a little while to master (or if you choose it can happen right now). I found prayers before I found a diagnosis.
E. Constantly in pain is the worst - the absolute worse - if possible find a Dr that can at least manage the pain then you can work on the other things.

Jeff, your story tugged at my heart. I have no idea what I’m talking about, I just feel for you and wanted you to know someone did read your plea for help.

Pray, focus, pray, plead, pray, humble yourself - ask friends to pray for you, this power is great. Ask for guidance in the name of Jesus Christ the Son of God. You are not in charge, He is and at least may find you peace and some comfort.

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@bebold

I want to add, as too many don't know, they tested negative, or had covid before anyone knew it was here, all of your above issues are ON the list of long covid symptoms. That you had them previously is why comorbidity is a factor with the virus.

You will not find one longhauler who has not been in your shoes. The high pulse, like me, can be POTS. burping like a sailor on leave drinking 25¢ beers is my new normal. Can barely control burping to even be polite. Guess it's good I'm rarely in public.

Anything that can get worse because of increased inflammation, will. All autoimmune issues can go thru the roof and stay there.

If you don't know if you had it, an IGG blood test (not antibody test which can be influenced by vaccine status) will be positive ONLY if you actually had covid - except sometimes if it's really high, it can mean you have a very active autoimmune thing going on, which of course is also COVID.y IGG, though I tested neg, was off the charts

Another test is your cytokine level. This will tell the degree of inflammation in your body. With some illnesses, like the CRPS I have and fibro too, my cytokine level is always elevated but COVID is like cytokine on steroids in my blood. Adrenal, cortisol etc activation results. Close to PTSD levels of symptoms of anxiety etc.

"Cytokine storm" is what kills people in the ICU with COVID. Not the virus itself. Our bodies response to it while fighting it off. Increased cytokine, bradykine, etc are normal when fighting of an infection/virus. With esp COVID, which is part of what makes it different in humans, our own bodies natural response, is what kills.

Did you have COVID when things blew up recently. To connect with longhaulers, who also go thru sometimes years now of testing with all normal results but many having exactly what you are and more, go to the Facebook group for longhaulers. You may find other weird things you didn't even notice or blew off as too weird to even mention to a doctor. Incontinence etc. Whodda thought? Inflammation affects every organ.

Esp now, with the status of people thinking it's over, doctors have moved past considering longhaulers or don't know enough about the possible hundreds of sequelae.

COVID settles whereever ACE receptors exist. Mostly lungs and stomach, hence new murderous GERD for some, as well as "IBS" symptoms. Fibro and chronic Fatique etc are very common new illnesses that are prevalent among longhaulers. It's very frustrating and also worthy of consideration. The milder the case of covid, which the last year can mean just calling it a cold, the higher the percentage of longhaulers. Right now, our ranks, and Disability claims are thru the roof. Long COVID, on a special list with Social security Disability to fast track thru, are swelling greatly! A mild case doesn't mean for ANYONE you will have a complete recovery. Many of us are seriously changed for life even when they were marathoners before. Post COVID syndrome covers all of your worsened symptoms. Sorry and worthy of adding to the mix for mental health frustration reasons if nothing else.

When you can't get diagnosed with a crazy basket of symptoms all at once, people need to think longhaulers, esp if vaccine didn't exist in your life or like me, in July of 2020, there was no vaccine. Most are a year or more doing rule out lab work with every single thing negative but clearly, worthy of doing until the tests are so obscure and expensive you are searching for a needle in a hay stack. Too many realizing when seeing the vast list of symptoms people are experiencing, it's too on the nose to not be it.

Best of luck. It's very frustrating and not enough people understand that longhaulers can happen even when you didn't even know you had it. Sometimes, the milder the case, the increased % risk. Right now, it's 30% who end up with post COVID syndrome and have a forever changed life. Suicides have also increased from frustration and inability to accept living in a now incredibly disabled body.

I didn't barely have even a cough the first three months until it travelled to my lungs, mostly just a sore throat for a month and a negative test but a huge flair of my pain condition. Low 02 in the high 80s. High pulse and BP over time with any activity. Eventually kidney stones probably from dehydration. A collapsed lung. Too many overweight people are being told if they lose weight they will be fine. (fat shaming is huge. Shame is huge among longhaulers.)

At this point after two infections with COVID, I sleep with oxygen and mostly bedridden deciding to get a wheelchair. Short of breath just walking to the kitchen. Can no longer empty the dishwasher even. Total constant Fatique. Too many don't understand or have felt like it wouldn't be them. Good luck.

There is a long COVID thread here but the FB group is seriously very active and asking questions there can give you hundreds of responses of "me too."

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All the post you are referring to are pre Covid…
So, could your observations/post be changed to pre- serious viral infection vs pre-Covid?
After a C-Diff infection, so many symptoms showed up and stayed…

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Jeff — I sympathize with you afflictions and hope you find solutions. But with you stomach issues, I’m wondering why you want to get off of pantoprazole. I have serious GERD and it helps me tremendously.

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Jeff, I don't know what to say, other than I'm sorry that you are suffering so much and for so long. My 71 yr. old husband had a condition that I don't think is properly diagnosed. It started when he tried to get out of be and fell 8 months ago. He called it "Jello legs" and at one point needed a walker. The ER doctors said he had "Deep Vein Thrombosis" and discharged him. He did have DVT and it was treated. A month later he fell again. We spent 6 days in the hospital and again given the DVT diagnosis and in addition Parkinson's. The vascular doctor cleared up the DVT and a second opinion neurologist removed the Parkinson's diagnosis and gave us a new one CIDP. This requires regular antibody infusions. We're still not sure that he has CIDP. My husband had been a heavy drinker but recently gave it up. We used google to help us figure out what is going on and came up with the possibility that he could have "Alocholic Neuropathy". We saw another neurologist who isn't so sure but agreed to gradually withdraw the infusions in the belief that if he doesn't have CIPD the withdrawal shouldn't effect him. We don't have an answer but found googling helpful. I wish you all the best!

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