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COVID vaccines and neuropathy

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Ellen -
It’s really hard to argue with what you’re saying. Having idiopathic neuropathy for 6 years, over that time, I’ve had ideas I’ve thrown out at my doctors for things to test because I “felt” there could be a correlation worth checking (uti at exact time of my sudden crippling neuropathy, lower back pain ever since, working at a (now) US EPA Superfund Site for mercury contamination for 13 years, a cancer I was later discovered to have etc etc) Most suggestions I had were dismissed right off the tops of their heads without data or even making their visit notes, telling me it was all coincidental while not being able to offer cause ideas of their own. It’s been frustrating. I am very happy to report that I never had a change in my neuropathy after the vaccines and boosters, nor have I had Covid. (And of course my happy news of that doesn’t go into VAERS)
You’re right, VAERS only captures adverse reactions people think they MAY have had, and isn’t in the same database as total population that received it, so scientists could never use that data alone as statistical evidence. However, I’m a firm believer of “where there’s smoke there’s often a fire”. I do not have data, but I have to believe a whole lot of people started getting sick (and dying) in different parts of the world with something unusual with very similar symptoms (not identical) for a bit of time before somehow enough data reached a high enough level of authority to make someone realize there was Covid going on out here. The system of collecting that “data” to realize something big was (and had been) going on wasn’t VAERS of course, and I’m sure the first of the many people going to doctors and getting sick (and the families of those who died) were frustrated as heck to not have a clue of what the illness was early on and how to treat it, and how to stop spreading it . Many probably felt dismissed by their doctors. Now look at how long they searched backward (and may be still searching) for “Patient Zero”. Most of us with idiopathic disease feel the same way) But somehow enough “events” surfaced to put the world on notice that something terrible was going on and all hands on deck were needed to help understand this terrible Covid thing and to help stop it.
So I personally see the benefit of VAERS - it’s a collection of unproven ideas, but at least it’s a system! I don’t know how many people get sick or die eating salmonella on their sprouts before companies issue a product recall, but I doubt it’s not from an organized database. I’m hoping that with VAERS, even if filled with some biased and tainted reporting, that educated scientists see enough smoke at times to determine there might be a fire; then of course they’d use proper data collection and statistical analysis to see if major research should be allocated to testing the theory and solve if it’s warranted. So I’m just suggesting that any database is good and I’m trusting that the educated know how to use it.
Many of us with idiopathic PN probably wish there was a formal system of collecting our ideas so maybe enough smoke can be seen to put tons of resources on it to put out our fires.
Debbie (drying out in the Carolina’s)

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Thank you, Debbie. In my own year-long quest for a diagnosis of what turned out to be "likely clinically isolated demyelination syndrome" I went down many rabbit holes of this type, including B6 toxicity. I'd had two doses of Shingrix several months before onset. Not knowing what I had made it easy to make wild guesses at causation. I finally got a diagnosis but of course causation was still an open question. In the past year, two very strong papers have come out suggestion that MS (and CIDS) are auto-immune reactions to re-activated Epstein-Barr. But most neurological conditions have no known cause other than genetics.

I have to disagree with you about "any database is good." The educated know that a database like VAERS is "GIGO" - garbage in, garbage out. A good database is one that is designed to answer a specific question and the manner of data collection is critically important.

There is no indication that SARS-CoV-2 started in multiple places in the world. The World Health Organization has a reporting system. There was a rapid outbreak in China, centered in Wuhan. The WHO was alerted on 12/31/19. https://www.cdc.gov/museum/timeline/covid19.html