Septoplasty: How did it impact you?

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, Sep 23, 2019

I have a deviated septum and was trying to find others that have had a septoplasty to see what it was like and what impact it had on them after having the surgery. I'm really trying to find out if it's worth pursuing at my age (76) since I've lived with it so long. I'm also wondering whether it may help with some of the obstructive sleep apnea issues I have with mouth breathing. My sleep medicine doctor didn't seem to think it would make a big difference but I've struggled somewhat with using my CPAP and consistently getting good results over the past year. Sometimes I am able to clear my nose and breathe normal but the times are few and far between.

If you have had a septoplasty, are you happy with the results? Also, would be interested in talking with anyone who has had a septoplasty and also has obstructive sleep apnea.

Thanks! John

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@nrd1

@mastro99- I will speak to my experience and what I have learned. 80% of the population has a deviated septum. It is very very common. These surgeries are presented as “normal and routine”. Routine, because it is one of the most common findings that an ENT will point out to any patient that they see with one and tell them they can “fix” it. But what exactly are they “fixing”. Something that doesn’t look “normal”. Do not fall into the trap of abnormalities. ENTs are surgeons, first and foremost. They will spend more time focusing on things they can present to you that need to be cut or removed. They spend very little time discussing how the nose actually works. The nose is a complete organ system. I works entirely in a finite pattern. This organ is not like the liver or kidney that can still function with less than.
Swelling in the nasal passages is caused my many many different things that need to be addressed first. Many people will get septal surgery thinking it will solve breathing issues. But if the underlying issue has not been addressed, you will still have the same issues. Allergies, in door/outdoor can cause swelling. Hormonal changes, Diet, Stress as well. When we sleep, the nasal mucosa lining and turbinate structure naturally enlarge due to increased blood flow to that area while laying on our backs. This is why a lot of people have to prop head on pillow to breathe better and they are fine. There are many REAL risks that occur with Septum surgery that are not “rare”. Septal perforations are very common. This is one of the most difficult revisions to perform. If this occurs you are often referred to one of the very few ENTs who can perform this correctly. Some ENTs will remove too much cartilage, causing a weakening in the entire septum structure. There is a saying in ENT world “As goes the septum, so goes the nose”. The risk of dryness is common. When the structure is altered if it is done conservatively it can leaves a too open pathway on one or both sides then you will have a sensation of too much air which causes extreme uncomfortability. The lining of the septum is richly innervated with nerve endings. It is very common for these nerves to get damaged, stretched and altered causing constant pain. Neurologists see many patients after all kinds of nasal type surgeries.
Airflow is a very subjective feeling that only you can explain or feel. Only you know what feels normal to you. When an ENT sees you in your original state, he is looking for something objective to match your subjective feeling. ENTs can not “see” airflow. So most of the time it is a guess as to your cause of complaint. If something structurally is altered and you return with a subjective feeling. There is not much they can do at this point as they have already offered their objective findings which they have removed/altered and can not be replaced or put back in. You can bring up everything I just mentioned to your ENT and if he/she denies it or seems caught off guard then then I would move on to a different ENT. I would explore every alternative first. Address the allergies. Use humidifier, nasal irritation moisture before sleep. Assess your diet, exercise and over all lifestyle. Any type of nasal surgery is difficult to ask others, because these surgeries are all performed so different and for different reasons and half the time ENTs don’t even know why they really work.
There are risks with every surgery regardless of how it’s presented. “Simple routine outpatient procedure. You are in and out and probably only need a week off work”. Nasal surgeries also have some of the highest failure rates. This is because this is one of the most delicate, open areas on your body that you still need immediately after surgery. It’s not a knee or shoulder that can be put in a boot or sling.
I know I have provided a lot here. Only because of the way the procedures are presented to patients. Ask yourself if what you are dealing with now, is a minor annoyance that you can control with other modalities rather than running the risk of completely altering your breathing pattern.
Sit with yourself without other opinions or surgical opinions and let your intuition guide you on this. Hope my honesty was helpful.

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I appreciate your honesty and information. You definitely reinforce a lot of my concerns.

A little bit of background, im 45 and very healthy and the only reason im considering surgery is because of the poor quality of sleep i get most nights. My left side of my nostril is 90% blocked so i can never breathe through it. I can only fall a sleep on my left side, I rarely sleep through the night because of my nose being stuffed up. I move a lot during sleep so I almost always end up on my back. For some reason, im not good at breathing through my mouth and if i try everything becomes dry and my breathing suffers as well. Afrin works really well but as you all know that cant be used very often. I haven’t found any allergy medications that work so my right side is always stuffed up unless im laying on my left side. I dont get many sinus infections so for me it comes down to the poor quality of sleep. I can live with all the other side effects but the sleep thing is a major problem. Also, i have no idea how it became deviated, ive never broke my nose nose but my ENT Doctor says I definitely did at some point. Anyways, thats my story and why im considering surgery but ive heard more bad than good so thats why im hesitating.

Thanks

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@tonyinmi

@mastro99 I had the deviated septum surgery 40 years ago when I was in my early 20's. I used to get a lot of sinus infections so it was supposed to help. After the surgery, I still got sinus infections but I could tell I was breathing better. From what I remember, the surgery was done at the ENT's office under local anesthetic. The procedure was not bad in the sense that there was no pain, only the discomfort of receiving the anesthetic. It's probably equivalent to the test for covid. Your eyes will water. The doctor removes cartilage but I didn't feel anything other than pressure from cartilage removal. I think I was back to work the next day.
Tony in Michigan

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I had a deviated septum and I went to an ENT doctor and he is known as being very very good and this was in Austin Texas and I had many many sinus infections and all of this was changed for the good once I had the deviated septum repaired and my sinuses cleaned out With inhaled antibiotics and sinus surgery. I’m so glad that I had it done—breathing easier and hardly any sinus infections since—-10 yes ago.

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@mastro99

I appreciate your honesty and information. You definitely reinforce a lot of my concerns.

A little bit of background, im 45 and very healthy and the only reason im considering surgery is because of the poor quality of sleep i get most nights. My left side of my nostril is 90% blocked so i can never breathe through it. I can only fall a sleep on my left side, I rarely sleep through the night because of my nose being stuffed up. I move a lot during sleep so I almost always end up on my back. For some reason, im not good at breathing through my mouth and if i try everything becomes dry and my breathing suffers as well. Afrin works really well but as you all know that cant be used very often. I haven’t found any allergy medications that work so my right side is always stuffed up unless im laying on my left side. I dont get many sinus infections so for me it comes down to the poor quality of sleep. I can live with all the other side effects but the sleep thing is a major problem. Also, i have no idea how it became deviated, ive never broke my nose nose but my ENT Doctor says I definitely did at some point. Anyways, thats my story and why im considering surgery but ive heard more bad than good so thats why im hesitating.

Thanks

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@mastro99-the additional information is helpful.
Is the blockage noticeable to you only when you sleep?
Have you tried breathe right strips or the silicone nasal cones?
And just and FYI, deviated septums can happen in fetal development and even at birth. As you grow and change so does your nose. It doesn’t only happen from a broken nose.
If you choose to pursue the route of septoplasty do the following;
-speak to people who only have had septoplasty due to sleep issues and see if that improved. Ask them if it was just septoplasty or did it include turbinate reduction with it.
- meet w/ several different ENTs that are double board certified in Rhinology and Facial Plastic surgery that know the form/function of the nose.
-Procedure vs. Surgery: Procedure is done in office, Surgery is done in the O.R. The in office procedure is done under local anesthesia, which is just that “local” to the site while you are awake. Local anesthesia does not require narcotics afterwards to tolerate the pain like awakening from general anesthesia. Like the other member mentioned he had hardly any pain and back to work. General anesthesia I’m sure as you know, your entire body is out. It is a longer recovery because your entire body system are getting the anesthesia out and it is a different pain processing. You now will probably wonder how can one doctor perform this same procedure in office and another one can’t or won’t. ENTs who work under local anesthesia have to be more skilled and delicate because you are awake. They also make less money in office and most likely do not have financial ties or obligations to get patients into the operating room.
-Ask the ENTs you meet with these questions
-Even if you have to drive further to find someone who performs in office, do so for less pain and better recovery.
These are things that people don’t think to ask, but they make a big difference.

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anyone out there have the deviated corrective surgery ??
sounds scary, my honey is going thru this next month, he has had enough of not breathing thru one nostral, always choking and coughing !!! its effected his life and mine. Read up on procedure, still feel erie on this one !!

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@sunny1971

anyone out there have the deviated corrective surgery ??
sounds scary, my honey is going thru this next month, he has had enough of not breathing thru one nostral, always choking and coughing !!! its effected his life and mine. Read up on procedure, still feel erie on this one !!

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@sunny1971 Have had this procedure done years ago and could actually breathe, taste, and smell.

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@sunny1971

anyone out there have the deviated corrective surgery ??
sounds scary, my honey is going thru this next month, he has had enough of not breathing thru one nostral, always choking and coughing !!! its effected his life and mine. Read up on procedure, still feel erie on this one !!

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@sunny1971 I was able to find an existing discussion on the topic of septoplasty that I thought you may find helpful. For that reason, you will notice I have moved your post here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/septoplasty-how-did-it-impact-you/

Members that may be able to come in and share their experiences with you include @nrd1 @judyhodgern @mastro99 and @tonyinmi.

Additionally, here is a link to additional information while we wait for others.
- Septoplasty: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/septoplasty/about/pac-20384670

What is making your loved one, and you, most concerned?

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@sunny1971

anyone out there have the deviated corrective surgery ??
sounds scary, my honey is going thru this next month, he has had enough of not breathing thru one nostral, always choking and coughing !!! its effected his life and mine. Read up on procedure, still feel erie on this one !!

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Over 30 years ago, after trying everything under the sun to fix my chronic sinus and ear infections, my ENT said all that was left was septoplasty to repair the deviation from an old fracture. While doing it, he found and removed infected tissue. I will not lie - it was uncomfortable for several days, with the packing in my nose & a device to hold it straight. It has been great ever since. I can count the sinus & ear infections I have had since then on one hand.

PS I am the "ice queen" here on Connect - they will be a LOT more comfortable the first several days with a VERY lightweight ice pack on the face every hour for at least 15-20 minutes. This helps keep swelling down - a lot. Also, sitting & sleeping in a recliner will be far more comfortable than lying down. Suggestion - Ask the surgical center for very small reuseable ice packs. Or use very small bags of frozen peas or (think 8 oz) wrapped in a bandana or small piece of very soft cloth. Or make "slush packs" which will stay flexible when frozen - 50/50 rubbing alcohol & water in a heavy duty zip loc bag. Have at least 3-4 on hand. Switch out 1/2 to 1 every hour. Bang on the counter before using to make it flexible to fit face.

Sue

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@sueinmn

Over 30 years ago, after trying everything under the sun to fix my chronic sinus and ear infections, my ENT said all that was left was septoplasty to repair the deviation from an old fracture. While doing it, he found and removed infected tissue. I will not lie - it was uncomfortable for several days, with the packing in my nose & a device to hold it straight. It has been great ever since. I can count the sinus & ear infections I have had since then on one hand.

PS I am the "ice queen" here on Connect - they will be a LOT more comfortable the first several days with a VERY lightweight ice pack on the face every hour for at least 15-20 minutes. This helps keep swelling down - a lot. Also, sitting & sleeping in a recliner will be far more comfortable than lying down. Suggestion - Ask the surgical center for very small reuseable ice packs. Or use very small bags of frozen peas or (think 8 oz) wrapped in a bandana or small piece of very soft cloth. Or make "slush packs" which will stay flexible when frozen - 50/50 rubbing alcohol & water in a heavy duty zip loc bag. Have at least 3-4 on hand. Switch out 1/2 to 1 every hour. Bang on the counter before using to make it flexible to fit face.

Sue

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Thanks sue, he is Going for the surgery so he can breathe, I am a former orthopedic assistant so I am definitely an ice queen too we definitely have plenty of soft usable ice packs in the freezer, thank you for the information, I hope he doesn’t suffer too bad with the packing but I guess he’ll be fine he’s tough he’s had in a long time from a fracture as well I think he fell against the table when he was younger and it is nose never straightened out, thanks for the Update

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@sueinmn

Over 30 years ago, after trying everything under the sun to fix my chronic sinus and ear infections, my ENT said all that was left was septoplasty to repair the deviation from an old fracture. While doing it, he found and removed infected tissue. I will not lie - it was uncomfortable for several days, with the packing in my nose & a device to hold it straight. It has been great ever since. I can count the sinus & ear infections I have had since then on one hand.

PS I am the "ice queen" here on Connect - they will be a LOT more comfortable the first several days with a VERY lightweight ice pack on the face every hour for at least 15-20 minutes. This helps keep swelling down - a lot. Also, sitting & sleeping in a recliner will be far more comfortable than lying down. Suggestion - Ask the surgical center for very small reuseable ice packs. Or use very small bags of frozen peas or (think 8 oz) wrapped in a bandana or small piece of very soft cloth. Or make "slush packs" which will stay flexible when frozen - 50/50 rubbing alcohol & water in a heavy duty zip loc bag. Have at least 3-4 on hand. Switch out 1/2 to 1 every hour. Bang on the counter before using to make it flexible to fit face.

Sue

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@sueinmn

Hi Sue-could you explain what your symptoms felt like?
Of sinusitis-both the inflammation & infection symptoms?

I know every person is different. I’m trying to figure out if my nasal/sinus symptoms are structural related or bacterial related if any.

Thank you

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@nrd1

@sueinmn

Hi Sue-could you explain what your symptoms felt like?
Of sinusitis-both the inflammation & infection symptoms?

I know every person is different. I’m trying to figure out if my nasal/sinus symptoms are structural related or bacterial related if any.

Thank you

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Sorry, that was over 30 years ago. My body has been through a lot since then, so I don't think I can give you an accurate description.
Sue

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