Aromatase Inhibitors: Did you decide to go on them or not?

Posted by nanato6 @nanato6, Oct 12, 2018

Nanaloves: I’m about to start arimidex and just feel that the contraindications , bone issues etc. are overwhelming. I’m 70 years old, dodged a bullet I feel with zero stage DCIS but the follow up is pretty much no different then if it was more aggressive. I’ve just done 33 treatments of radiation and now they advise arimidex as a preventative. I’m not sure with the beginnings of arthritis and lower back. sensitivity already that I should take it. Anyone not take it and not have a recurrence within the 5 years.

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@callalloo

Trigger Finger and heightened risk for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome are both a submenu, in a sense, of the arthralgia side effects of aromatase inhibitors. One study noted their frequency and that they might be being overlooked by patients as arthritis or general 'aging.'
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Increased Risk of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and Trigger Finger in Women Using Aromatase Inhibitor Medications

CONCLUSION: Our study demonstrates that females who used AI medication were at increased risk of developing CTS or TF within 1 year of use. 
https://meeting.handsurgery.org/abstracts/2020/HS25.cgi
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Incidence and Treatment Efficacy of Trigger Finger in the Breast Cancer Population on Aromatase Inhibitors

Conclusions: This study demonstrates for the first time the incidence, treatment outcomes, and surgical risk factors of trigger finger in patients on AI therapy for breast cancer
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34078170/

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I cured my trigger finger myself with the use of Oval 8 device. My oncologist said ‘It’s not the Anastrozole’ when I told him of my trigger thumb. This may not work for everyone but it allowed me to rest my thumb and keep the mobility of my hand.

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@windyshores

@lisajoann I had the same pathology but low Oncotype score, so no chemo. What was your Oncotype score?

I wanted to do 7-10 years of letrazole but I did the Breast Cancer Index test which said no benefit after 5 years. I am now 7 2/3 years out.

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I had an oncotype score of 10. Took the breast index number after 5 yrs and have a high risk for return. Will take anastrozole for 5 more years

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@huey

I had an oncotype score of 10. Took the breast index number after 5 yrs and have a high risk for return. Will take anastrozole for 5 more years

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@huey I also had high risk of return but no benefit from continued meds. Did your Breast Cancer Index report indicate benefit? It is a yes or no answer on that test.

It's tough to rely on any one test but my bones demanded at least a break after 5 years.

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@windyshores

@huey I also had high risk of return but no benefit from continued meds. Did your Breast Cancer Index report indicate benefit? It is a yes or no answer on that test.

It's tough to rely on any one test but my bones demanded at least a break after 5 years.

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Mine was a yes

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The reason any of us take an aromatase inhibitor is to thwart new primaries, a recurrence, and/or a metastatic distant spread. If after treatment we no longer have circulating cancer cells, do we need to take them? Maybe to prevent a new primary. There was interesting news posted on the Daily Mail recently about a new blood test for BC that may be more accurate than a mammogram, with no radiation and no false positives. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11042803/Game-changer-blood-test-better-finding-early-breast-cancers-mammogram.html

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@vivi1

The reason any of us take an aromatase inhibitor is to thwart new primaries, a recurrence, and/or a metastatic distant spread. If after treatment we no longer have circulating cancer cells, do we need to take them? Maybe to prevent a new primary. There was interesting news posted on the Daily Mail recently about a new blood test for BC that may be more accurate than a mammogram, with no radiation and no false positives. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11042803/Game-changer-blood-test-better-finding-early-breast-cancers-mammogram.html

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The article notes that the test has been approved for use in the EU but I couldn't find the name it's used under to look at studies on it. But there are several similar tests in development so, if this one doesn't live up to early indicators, another one undoubtedly will at some point.

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@vivi1

The reason any of us take an aromatase inhibitor is to thwart new primaries, a recurrence, and/or a metastatic distant spread. If after treatment we no longer have circulating cancer cells, do we need to take them? Maybe to prevent a new primary. There was interesting news posted on the Daily Mail recently about a new blood test for BC that may be more accurate than a mammogram, with no radiation and no false positives. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11042803/Game-changer-blood-test-better-finding-early-breast-cancers-mammogram.html

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@vivi1 I tried to look up the answer to your question on whether further treatment is needed if no circulating cancer cells are found. You might want to read through this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/circulating-tumor-cell

What I get from this is that for a variety of reasons, CTC's are hard to detect (rare in the body, can be hidden by red blood cells, etc.) so I would not trust the test results. It looks like some of the troublesome cells aren't actually circulating but have embedded.

If no CTC's are detected, it does look like survival time for patients is longer than for those who have a significant count, so there is prognostic value. But I am not sure a score of zero means no treatment and your doctor can best tell you the answer!

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@callalloo

The article notes that the test has been approved for use in the EU but I couldn't find the name it's used under to look at studies on it. But there are several similar tests in development so, if this one doesn't live up to early indicators, another one undoubtedly will at some point.

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British oncologist Dr. Nicholas Turner is a Team Leader in the Breast Cancer Now Toby Robins Research Centre at The Institute of Cancer Research, London. Here are some recent awards with links to UK breast cancer research. Liquid biopsies sound interesting for finding the likelihood of relapse. There may soon be a better way than current diagnosis and cut/burn/poison treatment.
https://www.icr.ac.uk/news-features/news-archive?tags=cf4efcca-6595-64f3-a772-ff0000325351

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@vivi1

The reason any of us take an aromatase inhibitor is to thwart new primaries, a recurrence, and/or a metastatic distant spread. If after treatment we no longer have circulating cancer cells, do we need to take them? Maybe to prevent a new primary. There was interesting news posted on the Daily Mail recently about a new blood test for BC that may be more accurate than a mammogram, with no radiation and no false positives. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11042803/Game-changer-blood-test-better-finding-early-breast-cancers-mammogram.html

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The way an oncologist explained it to me is that whatever conditions in one's body that allowed a cancer to develop in the first place remain unchanged. So one argument for the drugs is to hopefully eliminate estrogen if that's already been a fuel source for a cancer. That way it cannot fuel another estrogen-positive cancer in the body if the drug continues to work as planned.

That will not prevent any other cancer from developing, including an estrogen-negative one though. In a sense, one can be unlucky more than once. And age and other factors can impact on general immunity.

One oncologist was interviewed and thinks that a second breast cancer, in a different area from the first, shouldn't be considered a simple recurrence but a new, independent event even if compared biopsies 'looks the same. That is, he thinks many distant occurrences are unrelated to the first except for occurring in the same body with the same biochemistry. His argument is for increasing research into how best to strengthen the immune system in general as the that could be the best anti-cancer weapon.

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