Is there anyone that had estrogen positive cancer, without use of AI?

Posted by tygerrag2 @tygerrag2, Jul 14, 2022

Is there anyone with stage 1 breast cancer, estrogen positive that had a lumpectomy followed by radiation without any other treatment and has remained cancer free?

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@regina59

Thank you for such a well informed entry. I am one of those cases that was reported wrongly. I decided not to go with the flow and take drugs for five years just on the off chance that those drugs, with all their side effects, some long lasting, would prevent metastasis. I felt that I had to use subterfuge in order to keep on the good graces of my oncologist. Although none the three drugs prescribed ever passed my lips, they were all "discontinued because of side effects not tolerated". I quoted different side effects for each prescription. I am absolutely certain that I am one of many with similar stories. I do have metastatic breast cancer but absolutely do not regret those years free of drugs.

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That's interesting, Regina, as I saw one study hoping to be able to guesstimate how frequently cancer patients lie to their doctors about taking prescribed meds. I hope few people feel that it's the easier path to keep the doctor on the case, but the hypothesis for the study is that doctors are sometimes, you should pardon the pun, too doctrinaire and intimidate patients when listening would be far more therapeutic. And more likely to also generate compliance. I don't envy doctors in today's medical climate with insurers and other third parties interfering with doctors' ability to practice good medicine as they fit buy there's room for better communication on the part of all parties.

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@jeaniebean

My onco and I are working very closely together. She actually has an interest in the reactions of women to these drugs. While we researched we found that it is only a 5% increase in chance for a better result. She is more interested in why I had this reaction. We have found through my geneology that arthritis in my genes, mother, sisters, aunt, father, uncles, etc. is brought to the forefront when taking these drugs, and only heightens these side effects in the drugs. We also found that the fillers used can have a dramatic affect, and if not tolerated, should consider a more pure drug, unfortunately not covered by most insurances. I see her every 6 months, along with my doctor. There are many studies out there, and I am fortunate to have an oncologist that realizes how strong these drugs can affect the body, while most only follow the studies in place and have little knowledge of other alternatives. The cancer may be at bay for a few more years, but the issues these drugs cause can create problems that make living with a decent quality of life quite difficult. I stand by my statement and I am very happy for you and others that you can tolerate these side effects. Good for you. Not for all.

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@jeaniebean if fillers are a problem, you don't always have to go to expensive brand name meds. Often a different manufacturer's version will be okay.

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@regina59

Thank you for such a well informed entry. I am one of those cases that was reported wrongly. I decided not to go with the flow and take drugs for five years just on the off chance that those drugs, with all their side effects, some long lasting, would prevent metastasis. I felt that I had to use subterfuge in order to keep on the good graces of my oncologist. Although none the three drugs prescribed ever passed my lips, they were all "discontinued because of side effects not tolerated". I quoted different side effects for each prescription. I am absolutely certain that I am one of many with similar stories. I do have metastatic breast cancer but absolutely do not regret those years free of drugs.

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May I ask how many years passed before you were diagnosed with MBC?

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I had bilateral breast cancer: hormone positive - left, HER-2- R, with twelve lymph nodes involved. Thirty-one combination Chemotherapies and targeted therapies and the HER-2 is still completely gone, the hormone positive never really went away despite all that Chemotherapy. After five years, I had recurrent cancer in the left breast and had an ablation. Then, a year later, a large tumor in my liver which was there all the time, decided to grow. A biopsy revealed that it came from the left breast . So, they told me I was de-novo (spelling?). I am living my life so that I have no regrets. I have a strong eighty-five year old body that is doing a very good job of fighting the invaders.

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@windyshores

I just want to say, to anyone contemplating an aromatase inhibitor, that I have found that any medication that affects hormones (Tymlos for bones is another one I take, the side effects change over time (and sometime even fade) as the body adjusts. People could perhaps start off alternating days, which my doctor approved.

I also think there are two sets of side effects to consider: the effect of the drug and the effect of estrogen deprivation. I honestly don't know if these are one and the same but I personally found that side effects changed over time and then lessened.

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I started letrozole November one of 2021. At first, I experienced gosh awful hot flashes, hair loss, extremely dry skin, and depression. However, they have pretty much subsided now. My system has always been hypo glycemic (low blood sugar); however I’ve now been diagnosed as prediabetic. The good news is, for me, my last A1c test showed that my system has adjusted back down to just under the prediabetic numbers. My hair seems to have stopped falling out; my skin is becoming more moist. My points: it seems that my body is acclimating to the Letrozole over time and the side effects are calming down for me. My oncologist and I have discussed this. My choice is to hang in there and see where this all goes for me. By the way, I agree with the fact that this 80 year old body had very little estrogen in it to begin with. L O L

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@joiful

I started letrozole November one of 2021. At first, I experienced gosh awful hot flashes, hair loss, extremely dry skin, and depression. However, they have pretty much subsided now. My system has always been hypo glycemic (low blood sugar); however I’ve now been diagnosed as prediabetic. The good news is, for me, my last A1c test showed that my system has adjusted back down to just under the prediabetic numbers. My hair seems to have stopped falling out; my skin is becoming more moist. My points: it seems that my body is acclimating to the Letrozole over time and the side effects are calming down for me. My oncologist and I have discussed this. My choice is to hang in there and see where this all goes for me. By the way, I agree with the fact that this 80 year old body had very little estrogen in it to begin with. L O L

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@joiful I have posted before about hormonal meds, both for cancer and for osteoporosis. I think that with meds that affect hormones, side effects change over time. Changes in hormones affect the body but not immediately. I had the same experience: hot flashes and other side effects that faded.

With my osteoporosis meds, also hormonal, this also happened: the fast heart beat and headache faded.

One option with hormonal meds is to start with a lower dose and move up as the body adjusts. For AI's that would mean alternating days, which my docs approved. The Femara insert actually states that 20% of the usual dose is effective.

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@windyshores

@joiful I have posted before about hormonal meds, both for cancer and for osteoporosis. I think that with meds that affect hormones, side effects change over time. Changes in hormones affect the body but not immediately. I had the same experience: hot flashes and other side effects that faded.

With my osteoporosis meds, also hormonal, this also happened: the fast heart beat and headache faded.

One option with hormonal meds is to start with a lower dose and move up as the body adjusts. For AI's that would mean alternating days, which my docs approved. The Femara insert actually states that 20% of the usual dose is effective.

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@windyshores This is a quote from your post “ One option with hormonal meds is to start with a lower dose and move up as the body adjusts. For AI's that would mean alternating days, which my docs approved. The Femara insert actually states that 20% of the usual dose is effective.”
If this is true, especially the ‘20% of usual dose is effective’ why oh why are we prescribed 80% higher dose? I’ve keep trying to understand why the same dosage is given to women w/ stage 4 cancer and stage 1. The answer I get from my oncologist is that what they found that works. Now the Femara insert say 20% works. 🤔

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I have a difficult time on the endocrine therapy threads because of a few members who I feel, like to pontificate on many things they truly have no personal experience with.
Here is my personal experience with hormone therapy. I took it, I took all of it I could take, until the doctors cut me off. I am glad I took it, and I would do it again. 😂
On the serious side. It wasn’t always pleasant, and certainly not always easy, but I said, I never wanted to go through again, what I went through the first time, coming out of chemo at 6ft tall and 108 pounds.
Now that the dreaded recurrence we all fear, happened anyway. I am honestly glad I don’t have to look back and wonder if I did everything I could to prevent it.
Life isn’t always easy or pleasant, but if I am lucky enough to come out the other side with some optimism for the future, then I feel it was worth it.

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