What are things I can do to live well with 3b kidney disease?

Posted by dmccuen219 @dmccuen219, May 14, 2022

I have recently been diagnosed with stage 3b CKD Since February I changed my diet lost 23 lbs and discontinued several meds I meet with a nephrologist on May 20 for my first visit I feel like I am in neutral and empty I am 75 and WAS very active and energetic Really don’t know what else to do Any suggestions

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@csage1010

As I was reading your first paragraph I was thinking, "I wonder if she meant 'Failure to Thrive' ". What a terrible term to call a disease "Waste of Life". I think your point about the good old fashioned docs is well taken; my primary care is, in general, a rockstar. He did not, however, mention that my kidney function had been in decline until he was "alerted" when my laboratory flagged my GFR at 59. It fluctuates from 53-64 ish but had that one point (from 60 to 59) not occurred, I would not have known about my declining kidney function. I believe whole heartedly that this has to change. Declining kidney function needs to flagged and addressed far earlier. This is a fight I wish I had the energy to pursue.

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Sadly you are completely correct about addressing declining kidney function as soon as your blood test shows it. In another post from me I said the same thing. I had CKD3 for some time and I only found about it on my after visit summary. I was shocked. I loved my GP (she has since left the practice for taking too long with patients). Really??? Anyway, I think the first blood test showing it was in 2018. So for about possibly a year or more I didn't know I had it. If I had I would have been changing my diet so much more. I do think that lowering my salt intake so much that my blood pressure has been wonderful and that's a big help re kidney issues. Actually 59 to 64 is very good and I hope you can keep it at those levels. Thank you for sharing and I do agree with you as to "Waste of Life". Such a scary name.

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@nscappa

Sadly you are completely correct about addressing declining kidney function as soon as your blood test shows it. In another post from me I said the same thing. I had CKD3 for some time and I only found about it on my after visit summary. I was shocked. I loved my GP (she has since left the practice for taking too long with patients). Really??? Anyway, I think the first blood test showing it was in 2018. So for about possibly a year or more I didn't know I had it. If I had I would have been changing my diet so much more. I do think that lowering my salt intake so much that my blood pressure has been wonderful and that's a big help re kidney issues. Actually 59 to 64 is very good and I hope you can keep it at those levels. Thank you for sharing and I do agree with you as to "Waste of Life". Such a scary name.

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Because of having a very rare blood disorder, I’ll be 1 out of 3.5 million people with it. That means there is only about 340 people in the United States that will have it, if they get tested for it. The official name is Waldenstrom Macroglobulemia, which is already a rare form of Non Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. So my 6 doctors believe my WM has set up a home in my brain causing a tumor. I have to get 2 CT scans on the 24th and 3 MRI’s June 22nd. If that isn’t bad enough, they believe the tumor is the same kind that killed my sister in 1989 at just 39yo. It was a rare tumor called Anaplastic Astrocytoma. My poor kidneys can’t keep up with all the bad guys setting up shop all throughout my body. My last blood check had a reading of 38 and was still tanking towards dialysis, so I’m literally falling apart but still fighting. My favorite quote “I cried because I had no shoes, till I met a man who had no feet.” Things can always be worse. I came into this world with a sickly body and I’m going to leave still in it.

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Becky, I am so sorry for all that you are and have been going through. You must have a lot of faith to be able to handle all of these difficult illnesses. I really have empathy for you and I wish you all the best and maybe some good news for a change. Keep the faith and keep me posted. God Bless!

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@petuniamom567

All of us with CKD 3a-3b seem to be having a similar experience. Our physicians aren't very concerned and often
tell us nothing very helpful. Sometimes, they tell us nothing at all. As patients, we become our own physicians.
I don't understand this situation and have commented on it previously. We should be responsible individuals, but we require the appropriate help and information. Can someone explain what's going on? If you don't want to
help, why become a nephrologist? Very frustrating. Very puzzling. I wish us all the best. Don't know what else
to say. Makes me feel a bit better to know others have had same experiences. Is this state of medicine in America
today? And if it is, why?

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Appreciate your appreciation. Now, what can we do?

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@becky1024

Because of having a very rare blood disorder, I’ll be 1 out of 3.5 million people with it. That means there is only about 340 people in the United States that will have it, if they get tested for it. The official name is Waldenstrom Macroglobulemia, which is already a rare form of Non Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. So my 6 doctors believe my WM has set up a home in my brain causing a tumor. I have to get 2 CT scans on the 24th and 3 MRI’s June 22nd. If that isn’t bad enough, they believe the tumor is the same kind that killed my sister in 1989 at just 39yo. It was a rare tumor called Anaplastic Astrocytoma. My poor kidneys can’t keep up with all the bad guys setting up shop all throughout my body. My last blood check had a reading of 38 and was still tanking towards dialysis, so I’m literally falling apart but still fighting. My favorite quote “I cried because I had no shoes, till I met a man who had no feet.” Things can always be worse. I came into this world with a sickly body and I’m going to leave still in it.

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@becky1024 I echo what @nscappa has said, in that we are here to support you however we can. I also have an ultra-rare health condition, involving my kidneys, and have found that working with my doctors, doing my own research, and being "part of the team" helps me.

Dialysis typically is considered as a person gets towards 10% function, except in cases of sudden kidney failure. Gentle exercise, good healthy eating [low/no sodium, careful with potassium and phosphorous] stress reduction however you can, all can play part of keeping yourself as healthy as possible. Learn your lab numbers, watching trends not single results will give you good guidance. Many times declining kidney function comes on slowly, and our bodies learn to adapt to it, so it takes us by surprise when we realize how we may be affected. I feel fairly well at 13% function, but in looking back, I know my energy and "usefulness" used to be better. Now, add in my other health issues like being an active cancer patient on chemo, and I am reluctant to put all the blame on my kidney issues.

I do hope we can offer you support and ways to handle all you are going through. Have your doctors found any link to what your sister went through, and your case, to help you now? You have about three weeks before those tests, how will you handle your time and emotions? Have you thought about writing it all down, keeping a journal to sort things out? We are here for you, please lean on us!
Ginger

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@gingerw

@becky1024 I echo what @nscappa has said, in that we are here to support you however we can. I also have an ultra-rare health condition, involving my kidneys, and have found that working with my doctors, doing my own research, and being "part of the team" helps me.

Dialysis typically is considered as a person gets towards 10% function, except in cases of sudden kidney failure. Gentle exercise, good healthy eating [low/no sodium, careful with potassium and phosphorous] stress reduction however you can, all can play part of keeping yourself as healthy as possible. Learn your lab numbers, watching trends not single results will give you good guidance. Many times declining kidney function comes on slowly, and our bodies learn to adapt to it, so it takes us by surprise when we realize how we may be affected. I feel fairly well at 13% function, but in looking back, I know my energy and "usefulness" used to be better. Now, add in my other health issues like being an active cancer patient on chemo, and I am reluctant to put all the blame on my kidney issues.

I do hope we can offer you support and ways to handle all you are going through. Have your doctors found any link to what your sister went through, and your case, to help you now? You have about three weeks before those tests, how will you handle your time and emotions? Have you thought about writing it all down, keeping a journal to sort things out? We are here for you, please lean on us!
Ginger

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My maternal grandfather was Native American and my faith in him and my Shaman (medicine man) who pow-wowed me at 6 months old. I was deathly ill, dying and he placed a special spirit inside me that would guide and protect me for the rest of my life. Keep that in mind when I explain why I call myself a “freak of nature”! You see, my life has been one crisis after another for 77 years. I literally drowned at 5 years old but was resuscitated after 3 minutes of being dead because my heart stopped. At 7 years old, my daddy was killed in a coal mining accident and I in turn tried to kill myself to be with him again. I finally committed suicide at 26 because I couldn’t live a lie anymore. I stopped my heart and was dead for 3 minutes and 7 seconds but was resuscitated again and had to live a life in a nightmare. You see how cruel life can be, I was given a protective spirit that somehow finds a way to protect me. I had an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm accidentally discovered by my urologist looking at my right kidney and why I was passing so much blood. It goes on and on and on and on, like my protective spirit enjoys saving me. You can even throw in rare things in my body, no problem for my protector. How about a few very rare health crisis’s, a little tougher but not for my protector. Throw in 1 very, very rare blood problem, it’s still working on that one. I am not immortal, just a very studious person who can spent hundreds and hundreds of hours to find an answer. Know what MGUS is? How about Kappa IgM MGUS? It’s a rarer form of MGUS. How about Kappa IgM MGUS progressing directly into Waldenstrom Microglobulemia? That’s the very, very rare form of Non Hodgkin’s Lymphoma that’s trying to find places to set up business. Unfortunately it’s now in my brain and it hurts a level 9/10 pain without any medication. I discovered all that, rather my protector guided me to ask the correct questions. And now I have 6 doctors working with me to track all the information down that I, rather my protector supplied. Oh yeah, you can throw in a 1 in a million heart defect it discovered that’s ready to quit. Bad Kidneys that have cyst popping out, a bowel that can’t absorb enough food to keep me alive with all those bad guys grabbing it first. Or how about 19 lung infections in the last 8 years because I have an immune system that’s out to lunch. In 2017, I had the flu, bronchitis and pneumonia all at the same time, tore my left lung apart. Or how about battling my 4th case of Covid but here I am, still lock-in’ butt that is.

Sorry to hear about all your troubles, keep fighting, don’t give up , just look at me and I’m almost 79. The moment you give up, will be the day you’ll die. Here’s a quote from my autobiography, I talk about my “Point of No Return.” “That’s when you’re more afraid of life and living, than you are of death and dying!” Eleven hours after I thought of that saying, I killed myself.

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@susanna82

Hello Nancy,

Start here: https://www.kidney.org/

You did not address me in your commentary, but I do have a few suggestions.

Give up meat and fish altogether. I do not eat dairy food at all.

If you want to eat popcorn, eat it with NO SALT. Not a little salt, no salt.

I soak rice to get rid of the arsenic, but I soak canned foods to get rid of the salt - and kidney beans are the only canned food I eat.

My story is like yours: my primary care physician did not tell me; I saw it on my patient summary. Every single step I have taken has been on my own. All my knowledge, and remediation efforts, have been a result of my own research. I don't mind doing that, but there is an ocean of information out there, and some voluntary guidance from your kidney doctor would be helpful and would inspire confidence that you are not making mistakes.

The first specialist I saw barely managed 15 minutes. They seem to feel that in Stage 3 you do not need to do anything, or change anything. This is ridiculous. That is when you need to get started with the changes that will slow down, stop or reverse your kidney damage. Why would you wait?

Early on, in that brief (ten-minute) meeting with a nephrologist, I got the advice that I would not end up on dialysis. Well, this is because of my age?

However, that does not mean I don't want to do everything I can to improve my kidneys.

Raised my GFRs, from the time I accidentally discovered I have the wretched disease (UTI medications), from 50 to 64-69 - depending, I guess.)

My experience with kidney doctors is that if you are in Stage 3, they don't offer a lot of guidance and I am aware that I need to look for a more involved physician. However, with the current method of referral's being required, that is not easy.

Most of what I have done, and learned, has been on my own. I am about to send off blood test results to Let's Get Checked, which gives me a GFR figure for the months between my first specialist appointment and my next appointment. I feel as if there is nowhere to go to get answers that will be individualized to your particular situation, since clearly, that did not happen with the first kidney doctor I saw. By the time I met the second kidney specialist, I knew the questions to ask. However, those have been my only encounters with kidney speialists. You are on your own.

I did fight my way to the hospital nutritionist, but you need referrals for that, rather than just making an appointment. You also want to know that the nutritionist is a kidney nutrition practitioner.

This blog is helpful and supportive. Gives you some insight into your condition and how to help yourself.

While medical care and knowledge is extraordinary, the personal touch, I believe, is less frequent in today's medical-care world. I am not a person who requires hand-holding, but I would like to feel as if I were not a number in the medical system, and that someone actually gave thoughts to how best to treat my specific ramifications of CKD after I left the office.

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Hello Susan, I can relate so well to your response. I was caught by surprise ,as well, by my CKD Stage 3 diagnosis. My doctor sent me to a dietician but I think she was more qualified as a diabetic nutritionist since she didn't share my concern about a kidney diet. I have had diabetes Type 2 for 44 years and have managed it pretty well but was still surprised to get the CKD diagnosis. My doctor suggested a low potassium diet since my potassium was 5, a little on the high side. I go to get my six month labs next week and am anxious to find out my GFR. I will check back in once I have the results. It's helpful to know there are others fighting the same issues I am.

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@sherrycarroll14

Hello Susan, I can relate so well to your response. I was caught by surprise ,as well, by my CKD Stage 3 diagnosis. My doctor sent me to a dietician but I think she was more qualified as a diabetic nutritionist since she didn't share my concern about a kidney diet. I have had diabetes Type 2 for 44 years and have managed it pretty well but was still surprised to get the CKD diagnosis. My doctor suggested a low potassium diet since my potassium was 5, a little on the high side. I go to get my six month labs next week and am anxious to find out my GFR. I will check back in once I have the results. It's helpful to know there are others fighting the same issues I am.

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@sherrycarroll14 As you are finding out, renal dietician seem to be few and far between. Diet tips from American Kidney Fund and Davita can go a long way to helping you find beneficial foods for you. Low potassium diet always meant, to me, no potatoes, bananas, oranges/orange juice, things I used to love. Now that I am on a high dose of furosemide each day, I need to take a potassium supplement.

CKD can have a underlying cause of long-term use of certain medications, other health issues contributing to lower function, or genetic factors. And, as we age it is natural for our kidney function to decline somewhat.

What was your eGFR last time you had it checked? I, too, look forward to hearing your current eGFR!
Ginger

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Hello,
I don't know if you posted about your appointment but I would be very interested how it went and what the doctor had to say. Thanks!
Nancy

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@petuniamom567

All of us with CKD 3a-3b seem to be having a similar experience. Our physicians aren't very concerned and often
tell us nothing very helpful. Sometimes, they tell us nothing at all. As patients, we become our own physicians.
I don't understand this situation and have commented on it previously. We should be responsible individuals, but we require the appropriate help and information. Can someone explain what's going on? If you don't want to
help, why become a nephrologist? Very frustrating. Very puzzling. I wish us all the best. Don't know what else
to say. Makes me feel a bit better to know others have had same experiences. Is this state of medicine in America
today? And if it is, why?

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I had a similar experience but with my GP. I had CKD3 and I never was told about it so I tried to find more info on the Internet. I did find DaVita site very helpful and now, of course, this wonderful site. You can't get much better than the Mayo Clinic. I'm sorry to hear about your experience but I'm not sure, did you have this trouble with a Nephrologist? Who the hell do you get help from if not a specialist in kidney disease?? Take care and don't give up (easy to say). I have to wait until September for my next lab work and I with it were sooner. It's lousy having to wait 6 months to find out how you have been doing by your numbers. Oh well, no choice there but the waiting is frustrating. Again, my best to you.
Nancy

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