Zometa infusions to help prevent bone loss from cancer treatments

Posted by trixie1313 @trixie1313, Jun 13, 2019

Has anyone had Zometa infusions to help combat the effects of aromatase inhibitors (bone loss). I have osteoporosis of my spine and osteopenia of the hip and am told I need this to prevent future fractures.

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@sequoia

Hey mjay! The vibration plates are an interesting concept. I’ll be following & researching. Thank you. We must advocate for ourselves. No one knows our body as well as we do ourselves. One pill does not fit all.

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I hope folks will read Margaret Martin's post on contraindications for vibration machine therapy. https://melioguide.com/physical-therapy-continuing-education/whole-body-vibration-therapy-contraindications/ Margaret Martin also wrote the post just linked on vibration machines, but separately posted on contraindications.

For me it is completely out as an option: dangerous for spinal fractures, not good for afib, migraines, dizziness/inner ear. Everyone needs to make sure they do not have something on this list of contraindications, which is extensive.

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@windyshores

I hope folks will read Margaret Martin's post on contraindications for vibration machine therapy. https://melioguide.com/physical-therapy-continuing-education/whole-body-vibration-therapy-contraindications/ Margaret Martin also wrote the post just linked on vibration machines, but separately posted on contraindications.

For me it is completely out as an option: dangerous for spinal fractures, not good for afib, migraines, dizziness/inner ear. Everyone needs to make sure they do not have something on this list of contraindications, which is extensive.

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Agree. Everyone should thoroughly research. I’m finding it interesting for knowledge. The concept intrigues me. I feel the ppl that post here are researchers and seeking knowledge to educate themselves.

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@windyshores

I hope folks will read Margaret Martin's post on contraindications for vibration machine therapy. https://melioguide.com/physical-therapy-continuing-education/whole-body-vibration-therapy-contraindications/ Margaret Martin also wrote the post just linked on vibration machines, but separately posted on contraindications.

For me it is completely out as an option: dangerous for spinal fractures, not good for afib, migraines, dizziness/inner ear. Everyone needs to make sure they do not have something on this list of contraindications, which is extensive.

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From what I've read, it is tricky and the vibration cycle/intensity has to be set precisely. There are reported cases of (weekend warrior types?) going gung ho for intense vibratory experience and suffering detached retinas. I'm going to get one of the machines but be very conservative with it. One writer here posted about the recommended 30 hz setting for people with osteopenia and osteoporosis. Also a link to a site explaining that parameter.

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@callalloo

From what I've read, it is tricky and the vibration cycle/intensity has to be set precisely. There are reported cases of (weekend warrior types?) going gung ho for intense vibratory experience and suffering detached retinas. I'm going to get one of the machines but be very conservative with it. One writer here posted about the recommended 30 hz setting for people with osteopenia and osteoporosis. Also a link to a site explaining that parameter.

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With fractures, I would be even more careful 🙂

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@windyshores

I hope folks will read Margaret Martin's post on contraindications for vibration machine therapy. https://melioguide.com/physical-therapy-continuing-education/whole-body-vibration-therapy-contraindications/ Margaret Martin also wrote the post just linked on vibration machines, but separately posted on contraindications.

For me it is completely out as an option: dangerous for spinal fractures, not good for afib, migraines, dizziness/inner ear. Everyone needs to make sure they do not have something on this list of contraindications, which is extensive.

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Margaret Martin recommends the Marodyne LiV device for vibration therapy. It is nothing like the ones found in gyms etc. It only has one low frequency setting.

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@pbnew

Margaret Martin recommends the Marodyne LiV device for vibration therapy. It is nothing like the ones found in gyms etc. It only has one low frequency setting.

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It seemed to be that the warnings/contraindications apply to that low frequency setting as well. What do you think? And if results are similar to walking, why not just walk if one is able! Just curious. I am kind of a minimalist!

Registered equipment manufacturers have identified a number of whole body vibration therapy contraindications and suggest that individuals who have one of the following conditions should not partake in WBV training:

Kidney or bladder stones.
Arrhythmia.
Pregnancy.
Epilepsy.
Seizures.
Cancer.
A pacemaker.
Untreated orthostatic hypotension.
Recent implants (joint/corneal/cochlear, etc.).
Recent surgery.
Recently placed intrauterine devices or pins.
Acute thrombosis or hernia, acute rheumatoid arthritis.
Serious cardiovascular disease.
Severe diabetes.
Migraines.
Among individuals with spinal cord injury (SCI), several adverse events were reported including pain, pressure sores on the feet, autonomic dysreflexia, and dizziness, which were largely attributed to the passive standing portion of the intervention.

Researchers at Lyndhurst Centre caution that Whole Body Vibration may elicit inner ear troubles, dizziness, headache, lower-limb spasticity, fracture (especially among those with severe osteoporosis), and/or hardware loosening (plates or screws as a result of surgery).(19)

A recent systematic review and meta-analysis on the effects of Whole Body Vibration on BMD in postmenopausal women concluded that Whole Body Vibration slows down bone loss at the hip (20) the benefits are similar to walking.

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@windyshores

It seemed to be that the warnings/contraindications apply to that low frequency setting as well. What do you think? And if results are similar to walking, why not just walk if one is able! Just curious. I am kind of a minimalist!

Registered equipment manufacturers have identified a number of whole body vibration therapy contraindications and suggest that individuals who have one of the following conditions should not partake in WBV training:

Kidney or bladder stones.
Arrhythmia.
Pregnancy.
Epilepsy.
Seizures.
Cancer.
A pacemaker.
Untreated orthostatic hypotension.
Recent implants (joint/corneal/cochlear, etc.).
Recent surgery.
Recently placed intrauterine devices or pins.
Acute thrombosis or hernia, acute rheumatoid arthritis.
Serious cardiovascular disease.
Severe diabetes.
Migraines.
Among individuals with spinal cord injury (SCI), several adverse events were reported including pain, pressure sores on the feet, autonomic dysreflexia, and dizziness, which were largely attributed to the passive standing portion of the intervention.

Researchers at Lyndhurst Centre caution that Whole Body Vibration may elicit inner ear troubles, dizziness, headache, lower-limb spasticity, fracture (especially among those with severe osteoporosis), and/or hardware loosening (plates or screws as a result of surgery).(19)

A recent systematic review and meta-analysis on the effects of Whole Body Vibration on BMD in postmenopausal women concluded that Whole Body Vibration slows down bone loss at the hip (20) the benefits are similar to walking.

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I don’t think they apply to the low frequency Marodyne. Watch her interviews with the developer.
https://melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
He explains vibrations. It’s not the same as walking at all. And it is not a substitute for exercise.
Also Martin offers a discount on the device.
I think Zometa is dangerous so I’m looking for natural alternatives. I’ve been at this for only 3 months. The amount of information is overwhelming. Very difficult to winnow out the useful stuff.
Wishing everyone good luck in their journeys!

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@pbnew

I don’t think they apply to the low frequency Marodyne. Watch her interviews with the developer.
https://melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
He explains vibrations. It’s not the same as walking at all. And it is not a substitute for exercise.
Also Martin offers a discount on the device.
I think Zometa is dangerous so I’m looking for natural alternatives. I’ve been at this for only 3 months. The amount of information is overwhelming. Very difficult to winnow out the useful stuff.
Wishing everyone good luck in their journeys!

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I originally posted that same link @pbnew. As well as the update by Margaret on contraindications.

The heading for the long list I posted in my prior post reads: "Registered equipment manufacturers have identified a number of whole body vibration therapy contraindications and suggest that individuals who have one of the following conditions should not partake in WBV training:" I took this to mean ANY whole body training, not just high intensity.

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@pbnew

I don’t think they apply to the low frequency Marodyne. Watch her interviews with the developer.
https://melioguide.com/osteoporosis-exercise-equipment/whole-body-vibration-therapy/
He explains vibrations. It’s not the same as walking at all. And it is not a substitute for exercise.
Also Martin offers a discount on the device.
I think Zometa is dangerous so I’m looking for natural alternatives. I’ve been at this for only 3 months. The amount of information is overwhelming. Very difficult to winnow out the useful stuff.
Wishing everyone good luck in their journeys!

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I guess we need to be careful with just about anything. But a few people on these posts are using the vibratory plates (carefully I'm sure) and seem to be experiencing an easier of old pains. I watched a video about the tech, an interview with a professor at Harvard, who stressed that the 'healing or bone stimulation' occurs when the intensity is below 30-40 hz. I'll try to find it and post it. Thus is not the same thing but my friend's broken Nick's healing to a halt until the neurosurgeon added a soft collar than generated ultrasound on a schedule. The top two vertebrae were broken into pieces so brand-new bone had to grow to fill in the gaps between them. It was amazing to look at the CDs of the CT scans before and after the ultrasound was added. It looked like healing on steroids. My friend could never feel or sense when the collar was on so it was a very subtle energy. Maybe the very low frequency vibrating plates are similar? People need to read up on this, or any new thing, before trying it though and proceed, as always, carefully.

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@windyshores

With fractures, I would be even more careful 🙂

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I agree! 🙂

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