Have you taken part in a clinical trial for breast cancer?

Posted by mssewest @mssewest, Jan 31, 2022

Hello,
Has anyone participated in a clinical trial with these chemo drugs:
Paclitaxel, Trastuzumab, Pertuzumab & Atezolizumab for ER+ & Her2+ breast cancer?

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@mssewest, are you considering taking part in a clinical trial? Is this the one you're referring to?
- Clinical Trial of Atezolizumab With Paclitaxel, Trastuzumab, and Pertuzumab in Patients With Metastatic HER-2 Positive Breast Cancer https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03125928

What things are you considering to help decide whether to take part in a clinical trial or not? Do you have concerns? Hopes?

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@colleenyoung

@mssewest, are you considering taking part in a clinical trial? Is this the one you're referring to?
- Clinical Trial of Atezolizumab With Paclitaxel, Trastuzumab, and Pertuzumab in Patients With Metastatic HER-2 Positive Breast Cancer https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03125928

What things are you considering to help decide whether to take part in a clinical trial or not? Do you have concerns? Hopes?

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Hi Colleen,

How are you doing? Are you a cancer survivor also?
I am considering it and yes I do have concerns. I wanted to see if anyone had participated and kind of what to expect other than additional scans, Echos, EKGs, etc.

Sincerely,
Sheila

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@colleenyoung

@mssewest, are you considering taking part in a clinical trial? Is this the one you're referring to?
- Clinical Trial of Atezolizumab With Paclitaxel, Trastuzumab, and Pertuzumab in Patients With Metastatic HER-2 Positive Breast Cancer https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03125928

What things are you considering to help decide whether to take part in a clinical trial or not? Do you have concerns? Hopes?

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Yes, this is the one. I didn’t know it was just starting and ends in June. Thank you. 🙂

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Hello, I received the first 3 drugs of the 4 you listed when I did my clinical trial. The 4th drug of my trial was called Interferon-gamma. In my case (I was diagnosed May 2019 with Stage 2b Invasive Ductal Carcinoma: Her2+, ER+, PR+), I endured neo-adjuvant chemo (prior to my partial mastectomy surgery). To this day, I suffer from neuropathy in my toes, even though I applied ice throughout each chemo session to my hands and feet. The Paclitaxel clinical trial regimen seemed the lesser of two evils - my Oncologist also offered the chemo combo called A-C, which sounded worse because it comes with nausea, and I abhor vomiting. Once my chemo trial ended, I had no hair and a rash across my chest that lasted months. After surgery, the pathology indicated live cancer, so the trial combo of Paclitaxel, Herceptin and Perjeta with Interferon-gamma didn't work, which meant I still had to have the A-C post-surgery to ensure a better outcome over the long haul. The A-C made me very nauseous, but it worked. The Herceptin and Perjeta weren't awful, but I only had 4 doses before I was switched to 14 doses of Kadcyla. I was prescribed Tamoxifen and became menopausal from the drugs, so my oncologist switched me to Letrozole (aka Femara) a year ago. Letrozole side effects include joint pain, which I am suffering from. I have taken Gabapentin for the neuropathy, but Gabapentin doesn't do the trick anymore, so I have found better success dealing with the neuropathy by seeing Occupational Therapy weekly, keeping active, overstimulating the nerve endings using TENS and massage, which is labor intensive, but a much more effective remedy long-term. Side effects don't go away as fast as you'd think...choose wisely. I hope this helps you with your decision. If you are a candidate for Kadcyla, I would strongly promote it because it was super-tolerable. The A-C is the gold standard and has been around forever. Avoid getting neuropathy-which is a constant, nagging "stone in my shoe". I chose a clinical trial because I wanted to contribute to medicine and my research about the Interferon Gamma made me think I was going to have a better outcome than I did. Mine was a Phase II trial - I have since been advised by my Stage 4 friend that it is better to save clinical trials for those end of life, last ditch effort decisions. There's no badge or medal for being a guinea pig! I could have saved myself from losing my hair twice and receiving 2 sets of chemo if I had just done the A-C first. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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@positive3

Hello, I received the first 3 drugs of the 4 you listed when I did my clinical trial. The 4th drug of my trial was called Interferon-gamma. In my case (I was diagnosed May 2019 with Stage 2b Invasive Ductal Carcinoma: Her2+, ER+, PR+), I endured neo-adjuvant chemo (prior to my partial mastectomy surgery). To this day, I suffer from neuropathy in my toes, even though I applied ice throughout each chemo session to my hands and feet. The Paclitaxel clinical trial regimen seemed the lesser of two evils - my Oncologist also offered the chemo combo called A-C, which sounded worse because it comes with nausea, and I abhor vomiting. Once my chemo trial ended, I had no hair and a rash across my chest that lasted months. After surgery, the pathology indicated live cancer, so the trial combo of Paclitaxel, Herceptin and Perjeta with Interferon-gamma didn't work, which meant I still had to have the A-C post-surgery to ensure a better outcome over the long haul. The A-C made me very nauseous, but it worked. The Herceptin and Perjeta weren't awful, but I only had 4 doses before I was switched to 14 doses of Kadcyla. I was prescribed Tamoxifen and became menopausal from the drugs, so my oncologist switched me to Letrozole (aka Femara) a year ago. Letrozole side effects include joint pain, which I am suffering from. I have taken Gabapentin for the neuropathy, but Gabapentin doesn't do the trick anymore, so I have found better success dealing with the neuropathy by seeing Occupational Therapy weekly, keeping active, overstimulating the nerve endings using TENS and massage, which is labor intensive, but a much more effective remedy long-term. Side effects don't go away as fast as you'd think...choose wisely. I hope this helps you with your decision. If you are a candidate for Kadcyla, I would strongly promote it because it was super-tolerable. The A-C is the gold standard and has been around forever. Avoid getting neuropathy-which is a constant, nagging "stone in my shoe". I chose a clinical trial because I wanted to contribute to medicine and my research about the Interferon Gamma made me think I was going to have a better outcome than I did. Mine was a Phase II trial - I have since been advised by my Stage 4 friend that it is better to save clinical trials for those end of life, last ditch effort decisions. There's no badge or medal for being a guinea pig! I could have saved myself from losing my hair twice and receiving 2 sets of chemo if I had just done the A-C first. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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You are a brave soul, there should be a badge of courage award for you. The gift you gave by entering this trial means that future patients will stand on your shoulders. Thank You. I am sorry to hear you are still going through side effects from all of that. I think neuropathy is a gift many of us receive. How are doing now? May I ask, what is the status of your cancer?

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@auntieoakley

You are a brave soul, there should be a badge of courage award for you. The gift you gave by entering this trial means that future patients will stand on your shoulders. Thank You. I am sorry to hear you are still going through side effects from all of that. I think neuropathy is a gift many of us receive. How are doing now? May I ask, what is the status of your cancer?

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I had my first clean mammogram Sept 2021. My next imaging is set for MRI March 2022. I have fears the cancer will return, but push positive thoughts in the way of self defeating thoughts. Hopefully I can keep up the progress and I hope you will stay in touch to let me know your thoughts if you want to. I need that as much as anyone.

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@positive3

I had my first clean mammogram Sept 2021. My next imaging is set for MRI March 2022. I have fears the cancer will return, but push positive thoughts in the way of self defeating thoughts. Hopefully I can keep up the progress and I hope you will stay in touch to let me know your thoughts if you want to. I need that as much as anyone.

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By joining a trial you might be one of the successes that forward a new therapy. Yay for clean mammogram! My thoughts right now are celebrate, all the way to the next scan.
Honestly, I feared the return everyday until it returned, but I did learn to control the fear. I would feel all the fear, and all the anxiety for a little while in the morning every day. Then when it tried to creep in later, I would say this is not your time, and listen to a song I loved or think about my horses or pink bananas or whatever it took to change my thinking. By doing this, I learned to live in the moment a little more.
Also, the serenity prayer isn’t just for 12 step programs. I put the coin from my friend in my pocket and it was a pretty great reminder.
Do you give yourself the appropriate credit for the bravery it took to be part of this trial? Can you use that same bravery to help control the fear?

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@mssewest I have been thinking about you and wondering if you joined this trial and how you are feeling?

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@positive3

Hello, I received the first 3 drugs of the 4 you listed when I did my clinical trial. The 4th drug of my trial was called Interferon-gamma. In my case (I was diagnosed May 2019 with Stage 2b Invasive Ductal Carcinoma: Her2+, ER+, PR+), I endured neo-adjuvant chemo (prior to my partial mastectomy surgery). To this day, I suffer from neuropathy in my toes, even though I applied ice throughout each chemo session to my hands and feet. The Paclitaxel clinical trial regimen seemed the lesser of two evils - my Oncologist also offered the chemo combo called A-C, which sounded worse because it comes with nausea, and I abhor vomiting. Once my chemo trial ended, I had no hair and a rash across my chest that lasted months. After surgery, the pathology indicated live cancer, so the trial combo of Paclitaxel, Herceptin and Perjeta with Interferon-gamma didn't work, which meant I still had to have the A-C post-surgery to ensure a better outcome over the long haul. The A-C made me very nauseous, but it worked. The Herceptin and Perjeta weren't awful, but I only had 4 doses before I was switched to 14 doses of Kadcyla. I was prescribed Tamoxifen and became menopausal from the drugs, so my oncologist switched me to Letrozole (aka Femara) a year ago. Letrozole side effects include joint pain, which I am suffering from. I have taken Gabapentin for the neuropathy, but Gabapentin doesn't do the trick anymore, so I have found better success dealing with the neuropathy by seeing Occupational Therapy weekly, keeping active, overstimulating the nerve endings using TENS and massage, which is labor intensive, but a much more effective remedy long-term. Side effects don't go away as fast as you'd think...choose wisely. I hope this helps you with your decision. If you are a candidate for Kadcyla, I would strongly promote it because it was super-tolerable. The A-C is the gold standard and has been around forever. Avoid getting neuropathy-which is a constant, nagging "stone in my shoe". I chose a clinical trial because I wanted to contribute to medicine and my research about the Interferon Gamma made me think I was going to have a better outcome than I did. Mine was a Phase II trial - I have since been advised by my Stage 4 friend that it is better to save clinical trials for those end of life, last ditch effort decisions. There's no badge or medal for being a guinea pig! I could have saved myself from losing my hair twice and receiving 2 sets of chemo if I had just done the A-C first. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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Thank you for sharing this information. It’s very helpful. I have 5 more chemo treatments and then my Oncologist said I would participate in the clinical trial.

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@mssewest

Hi Colleen,

How are you doing? Are you a cancer survivor also?
I am considering it and yes I do have concerns. I wanted to see if anyone had participated and kind of what to expect other than additional scans, Echos, EKGs, etc.

Sincerely,
Sheila

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Hi Sheila,
I am just starting down this path of breast cancer and am fortunate that my metastatic breast cancer is slow moving, so I have the time to participate in a study. The one I am participating in is the ISPY study. This study is good in that its mission is to determine ways to treat cancer is more nuanced ways instead of the one-blast-fits-all ways that have been used in the past. This study gives me a more focused and appropriate treatment for MY cancer, PLUS much of the study-related treatment is funded by the study, keeping my costs down. To me it was an easy decision to participate in this study. It also gives me the hope that my participation will help others. The chance to think that I am helping others and not always be thinking about my own problems is also a relief!

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