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Good morning! You’re asking a lot of really great questions this morning. I hope I can shed some light on a few of the topics.
First, you’re absolutely right that antibiotics are not discriminatory and will also kill off any good bacteria in our guts. That’s why it’s crucial to take a probiotic a few hours between the doses of antibiotics to restore the normal flora in our guts. It is possible to take antibiotics long term without serious side effects if we keep a good balance of good/bad bacteria.
After 2.5 years on 2 antibiotics I’ve finally been able to stop them. Not once did I have any side gut issues from taking them. I kept up a daily regime of yogurt with live bacteria mixed with ground flax. Kept things healthy and active. So it is doable.
I’d like to help you in the understanding of Immuno-suppressant drugs in relation to a transplant. I did not have a solid organ transplant but needed a bone marrow transplant. (A new immune system) They are similar in some regards because of the medications involved but totally different when it comes to graft vs host issues.
But basically, immuno-suppressants for a transplant patient need to be thought of as Anti-Rejection drugs. They do not and will not cause bacteria in your intestines to die off. They do NOT lower gut bacteria. They are not antibiotics.
They are drugs meant to slow down the reaction/response time in the body’s natural defense system anytime sometime foreign is introduced to the body or in cases when there is an inflammatory disease that needs to have the immune system suppressed to halt the body’s attack on itself.
These are not bacterial cells in the gut. These would be the innate and acquired immune cells of the body found in the immune system.
So, in your case, with an upcoming Liver transplant, at the time of delivery, you will start on an anti-rejection drug. This is to keep your body’s defense system suppressed so that when it recognizes the new liver as a foreign invader, it can’t launch an all out attack on your new liver, thereby rejecting it. You will be on some form of anti-rejection drug for the rest of your life. Your liver is a vital organ and so, that takes precedence over NOT wanting to take the drug. In this case, the immunosuppressant, quite bluntly, is absolutely necessary. No drug, no liver, no life…
Life holds no guarantee and sometimes drugs buy us time!
However, with your being on the immuno-suppressant AKA, anti-rejection med, your entire immune system will not be as robust. That means you’ll be more prone to illness if you let your guard down. If you eat well with the precautions for food prep you’ll learn about prior to transplant, participate in daily exercise like walking, take your meds and use every measure available to avoid Covid by wearing a masks, staying out of crowds, etc. you’re going to be great! I am immuno-compromised and nothing stops me from enjoying the things I love. I’m just super cautious with masking and that means even with friends and family. Every day is a gift with my second chance at life and I refuse to waste a minute worrying.
Quite a few of our members and friends here on Connect have had Livers, hearts, kidneys, and offer a lot of really helpful information. I know you’ve already had conversions with @rosemarya, @athenalee and others. So I hope that with all of us behind you that you’ll start feeling comfortable with taking the immunosuppressants when it’s time.
To answer the questions in the last paragraph, yes, there is always a risk with a transplant. But without it, what life will you have? With a transplant you have the opportunity to have another chance at life. Yes, preexisting conditions can play a factor in how the patient recovers and also the match of the donated organ with the proteins having to be closely related. But that is helped along by the anti-rejection drugs. At transplant when it’s most critical, the drug levels will be higher but will gradually be tapered to a maintenance level. No one likes to take them but it can be a matter of the difference between a happy, healthy, sustainable life and passing away.
Have I helped answer some of your questions? Have any more? 😊
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Hi Lori,
Thank you ever so much for your detailed response. The best thing I learned is that immunosuppressive drugs do not kill off good bacteria; they are NOT antibiotics. Good to know! I need to read more about the other points you made. I can tell you this. I have been taking very good care of myself for a long time. I know good nutrition, do the treadmill for 45 minutes every day, and my family is very careful about Covid, masking up with an N 95, etc!
My mother was taking steroid (?) injections for shoulder pain before she died at the ripe ol' age of 99. She had been told her bones were like ice cream cones. The doctor who injected her was truthful enough to tell her the injections would help her pain, at first, but the effect wouldn't last and the pain would be worse in the end as a result of taking the injection. This proved to be true but she was in so much pain at the time she was willing to do anything for even short-term relief.
I inherited osteoarthritis but have been able to control it with diet, exercise, and thyroid dosage. One question would be: Can one protect one's bones through diet, cardio, and weight-bearing exercise after going on immunosuppressive drugs, or is one automatically prescribed (bone) drugs?
Also, I recently had shingles. The shingles virus lays dormant in one's spine and once triggered through stress, emerges to affect one side of the body's nervous system. I was given antivirals and my symptoms cleared up within a couple of weeks. But, the shingles virus is always going to be in my body. If my immunity is always going to be down due to the immunosuppressant drugs, isn't the shingles virus going to be continually triggered due to my lowered immunity? Or will taking a shingles vaccine prior to transplant avoid that? I wonder if the shingles virus rears its ugly head due to lowered immunity, and I am given another antiviral, it may help for a while but, before long, my lowered immunity will put me back where I started. Having shingles is nasty. I'm sure the doctors will be able to answer this question for me but it would be interesting to know if anyone else has had to deal with this problem.
You provided so much good information - I need to go over it again. It's good to know immunosuppressive drugs do NOT destroy the good bacteria in our gut, but I'm still not clear on the process which does cause the gut issues and associated comorbidities. Is it that they were already there prior to transplant and the immunosuppressive drugs made them worse, or are the immunosuppressive drugs responsible for creating them?
Are you able to recommend any research or medical article on this subject? Suggesting some keywords to do a search on would be helpful too. Which medical sites do you recommend?
Thank you so much for your input. It helped a lot.