Undiagnosed Autoimmune with back pain, spasms, and stiffness

Posted by amberlynne5 @amberlynne5, May 10, 2019

Hi, I’m hoping that by posting my situation I can connect with people who have similar symptoms and possibly get me closer to an answer regarding what is going on with me.
My symptoms have gradually worsened in a 2 year time frame and got drastically worse last December. Things have gotten better since December but I seem to be having new issues since then. I have had issues with my back for approximately 10 years on and off mainly tightness of muscles in my back always in the right scapular area. I have always seen a chiropractor for this it gets better after but soon comes back. 2 yrs ago I stayed having pain in my right wrist and my knees were bothering me. I did not seek medical attention for this as the symptoms would come and go and I could go months in between of having nothing until it acted up again. I summed it up as I was working out to much, I was doing CrossFit type classes and running quite a bit.
Last fall things really changed however, I started having these terrible back spasms? It felt like a bolt of electricity down my spine and the pain would radiate out. It hurt to move or breath. The pain would eventually ease up but that would take almost all day for any relief. I had 3 of these episodes of which I seen my chiropractor for and he said he couldn’t make much since of it. Then I started having electric like shocks in the left side of my face this lasted for about 2 mos. During this time the muscles in my back grew drastically stiffer. The stiffness involved my whole back and neck. I finally went to my Dr. who sent me to Physcial Therapy. I went to 2 sessions and quit because they told me they were not for sure what the issue was and things were getting worse. I ended up back at my primary cares office due to worsening of symptoms. I started having low grade fevers every evening along with chills. I had no appetite (I ended up losing 10lbs in about 3 wks time). I have muscle twitches throughout my body, this has been constant since it started in early December. I have them every day regardless of how I’m feeling they seem worse when I feeling bad though. I had tensions headaches that were horrible no over the counter pain medicine would help. I also had an extremely sore throat and at times it felt like something was stuck in my throat this also caused trouble swallowing. I also had joint pain and muscle aches all over my body. I also suffer extreme fatigue. Heart palpitations, I had every test ran on my heart and they couldn’t find anything wrong. During this time I had tons of lab tests run and they found I had a positive ANA- 1:320, low positive Rheumatoid Factor- 37. I was sent to a Rheumatologist. Since this time I have seen 2 different rheumatologist the second I am still seeing today between the 2 I think they have ran every lab they could run and have only found a positive anti-RO SSA- >8.0. I had a salivary gland ultrasound that came back normal and a Schirmer test which was also normal- 18-20mm in both eyes for 5 mins. I had an MRI without contrast of my brain and cervical spine which came back normal. Lyme disease test which came back negative but I have had several drs tell me that that test is worthless. Which makes me second guess it’s findings. I also had an EMG done on arms and hands only which only found I had mild carpal tunnel. Dispite all the tests I have had done my rheumatologist has not been able to make a diagnosis. Y
While things have gotten a bit better since December I still have “flare ups”. I’ll have days and weeks I almost feel like my old self then all of a sudden I have several days in a row or weeks in a row where all my symptoms come back.
My rheumatologist has sent me back to the neurologist and I’m currently waiting for my appt. She says I need re-evaluated by him due to some new neurological symptoms I’m experiencing. Those include pins and needles feeling in my hands at night, a vibrating sensation in my left thigh and also my feet. The left side of my tongue and lips feel numb/tingling. And the persistent muscle twitching which has not resolved in its own. I also have trouble thinking at times (brain fog).
I’m sorry for the long post but I wanted to put it all out there to see if someone else has had anything similar. To add I’m a 33 yr old female and have been a type 1 diabetic for 32 yrs. my diabetes is very well controlled. My endocrinologist has ordered every lab she can to rule out anything on her side which included a celiac panel, adrenal panel, B-12, and there was one other but all of those tests came back normal. My ferritin level is low this was found about two years ago and they were never able to figure out why. When this flared up in December my primary checked my iron and the ferritin level was 19, borderline low which is what it always has been. She rechecked 4mos later and it had dropped to 6. I am back on my iron supplements currently.
Thanks in advance to anyone that can add any info that would be helpful to me figuring this out!

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Ohhh Amberlyne!
I am 72 but your situation is so similar to mine although I don’t have diabetes, I hace trigeminal neuralgia for which I have a pain pump that ends almost in my brain so it does not help all the other symptoms. The funny ( or sad ) part is that just like you my rheumatologist who diagnosed me with Rheumatoid arthritis four years ago, is now doubting and sends me to the neurologist who confirmed arschnoiditis and TN and CRPS and now he says I have Small fiber neuropathy and Raynaud’s so now he sends me back to rheumatologist
I have poliarthralgia and on and off my my veins in hands or feet swell up, hurt a lot, then burst in seconds and I get a bruise. It happens in fingers, toes and in the sole of my feet. Also anyone with little painful ball under fingers or toes ? And the move under the skin and they hurt a lot. Anyone ?
I also have pelvic floor dysfunction
But I am a grandma of four and although I use a wheelchair and cannot cook I can still play and read stories. But I can be very frustrated at times
My new thing are the small balls under small joints
Anyone?
Thanks a million for reading this to all who do!

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@kenyalama

Ohhh Amberlyne!
I am 72 but your situation is so similar to mine although I don’t have diabetes, I hace trigeminal neuralgia for which I have a pain pump that ends almost in my brain so it does not help all the other symptoms. The funny ( or sad ) part is that just like you my rheumatologist who diagnosed me with Rheumatoid arthritis four years ago, is now doubting and sends me to the neurologist who confirmed arschnoiditis and TN and CRPS and now he says I have Small fiber neuropathy and Raynaud’s so now he sends me back to rheumatologist
I have poliarthralgia and on and off my my veins in hands or feet swell up, hurt a lot, then burst in seconds and I get a bruise. It happens in fingers, toes and in the sole of my feet. Also anyone with little painful ball under fingers or toes ? And the move under the skin and they hurt a lot. Anyone ?
I also have pelvic floor dysfunction
But I am a grandma of four and although I use a wheelchair and cannot cook I can still play and read stories. But I can be very frustrated at times
My new thing are the small balls under small joints
Anyone?
Thanks a million for reading this to all who do!

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@kenyalama you had started this same discussion before—did you not receive any help?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/nodules-under-knuckles-and-under-toes/
What have your doctors said about the small balls under your toes?

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@becsbuddy

@kenyalama you had started this same discussion before—did you not receive any help?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/nodules-under-knuckles-and-under-toes/
What have your doctors said about the small balls under your toes?

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Thank you Becky!
Rheumatologist says neurological everything. Neurologist said part neurological but also polyarhritjs so sent me back to rheumatologist
Conclusion: they don’t seem to know I also have those veins episodes with burning sensation, swelling of the vein, bursts of the vein, pain subsides but I get a bruise. Humira stopped that for three years but they are back with the little balls added to the fun. Lol
That’s why I wonder if there’s somebody else experiencing the same

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Many people are getting ANA results. It is not a full diagnosis of Lupus or Mixed Connective Tissue Disease, but I believe you can have symptoms of each overlap without the RNA part. Stiffness, cramps, pain in muscles is part of fibromyalgia. You may find relief from a daily walk, a massage (I do edema massage for legs and arms) and basic Yoga or PT stretches. You can get images, but it may not show much beyond Osteoarthritis. With this, movement is important and avoid staying in bed or recliner, resting. Amend your diet to non-processed foods, avoid sugar and aspartame, white potatoes, tomato, dairy and whole wheat. Some of these will be no problem for you, but most of "us" do. For carpal tunnel, you want to work on posture (!) when working on computer and do the hand/wrist exercises. I like Dr Jo on you tube. Wearing a splint at night will keep you from curling wrists when sleeping. Right scapula: You might go to a gastroenterologist to be sure your gallbladder is good; I thought it was pleurisy. A Salon Pas lidocaine patch at night works well. PT might have a stretch for that. The lower back issue is likely piriformis/sciatica and PT has great stretches to help get it back into joint and to strengthen glutes, hamstrings and that pesky muscle. Dr Jo has you tube videos, and Two Guys Chiropractors have a good explanation. I do cat/cow/child/cobra yoga, piriformis stretch, clamshells and others for sciatica from PT. I have some hypermobility (another commonality) that is on the Beighton Scale, so hip/back/TMJ issues are common, but manageable. There are specialist PTs for this. Basically, chasing symptoms, as you might gather. Tension headaches could be TMJ; get a mouthguard. There are moves to relieve that, as well. I like calcium/magnesium, sublingual B-12 (also helps with low iron) and D3 to help keep looser and stop cramps. Be sure you hydrate, and eat enough. This and electrolytes really help avoid brain fog! When we feel ill, we eat less and that leads to another set of issues. Salivary gland is Sjogrens, usually. You can massage your cheeks, activate saliva with lemon drops; make sure you brush 2X day, use ACT mouthwash to prevent bacteria and waterpik to keep gums healthy. I have had two infections of the glands, and the Dr should give you penecillan or clindomyacin: go in right away as it gets horridly miserable quickly. For tingling, could be impinged nerves. Look up Paresthesia on webmd. I have found THC/CBD tincture (under tongue) helps at night. The Lupus Handbook might have ideas for you, AIP diet might help and here's a good site that has info about all of this: mctdfoundation.org and we are also on Facebook (Mixed Connective Tissue Disease) for practical ideas. This is a RARE condition, and most of us have been on the journey for years: ignore any lifespan information as it is old.

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It is a post to be read many times. Very interesting and useful

I personally can’t tolerate a massage in my legs or back. It causes me to experience terrible pain. I cannot have my fingers stretched as manicure people do either My knuckles hurt so much that the first time they gave me that massage I screamed since I was not aware it would cause so much pain in my knuckles. I now ask to skip the massage. I used to LOVE getting massages. Used to get them with my daughter as special treats
What I do enjoy is meditation with a pretty good App : Inside Timer
Thank you for the good info
I also experience severe dryness in mouth, nose and eyes but I have positive aSS antibodies without anti SSA so they can’t “ call “ it Sjogren’s but I do suffer the symptoms
I carry lip balm and eye drops in my purses and keep them on my night stand to use them many Tim’s a day
Systain with no preservatives and Burst Bee extra moist

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Apologies it is Sistayne

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@kenyalama

It is a post to be read many times. Very interesting and useful

I personally can’t tolerate a massage in my legs or back. It causes me to experience terrible pain. I cannot have my fingers stretched as manicure people do either My knuckles hurt so much that the first time they gave me that massage I screamed since I was not aware it would cause so much pain in my knuckles. I now ask to skip the massage. I used to LOVE getting massages. Used to get them with my daughter as special treats
What I do enjoy is meditation with a pretty good App : Inside Timer
Thank you for the good info
I also experience severe dryness in mouth, nose and eyes but I have positive aSS antibodies without anti SSA so they can’t “ call “ it Sjogren’s but I do suffer the symptoms
I carry lip balm and eye drops in my purses and keep them on my night stand to use them many Tim’s a day
Systain with no preservatives and Burst Bee extra moist

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Hello @kenyalama, there are many Sjogren’s sufferers who are SSA positive. Sjogren’s Advocate provides a lot of information geared toward patients and providers - https://www.sjogrensadvocate.com/post/do-you-have-antibodies-on-your-blood-test

I have Sjogren’s caused peripheral neuropathy, intense back pains, and other muscle and joint pain, along with other symptoms.

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Thank you for your comment Athenalee.
I actually only have anti SSB with NO anti AA so doctors tell me I that true Sjogren’s patients must have positiive anti SAA not the BB that I have
I also suffer from severe gingivitis and mouth sores, coarseness on and off but they refuse to diagnose it
I feel frustrated lately
Doctors never deny my symptoms, my body shows abnormalities and MRIs etc show abnormalities but my serology is normal except for the Anti SBB antibodies and doctors are puzzled
I can’t walk because of severe pain
Typing is now hard because of small nerve neuropathy. I type with the side of my index finger
The other abnormality in my blood was very high iron levels and my PCP says it’s lab error
I will have it done again in a few months
My neurologist ordered scoliosis test
What else ?
I try very hard to get out of bed every day but I do and I smile for family and friends and I still live alone
I also have a pain pump for trigeminal neuralgia. The tip of the catheter ends in my brain and I still have pin and needles in my right cheek and electric pain in my right eyebrow but I can speak now and the pain is tolerable
I feel terrible sharing all of this it’s too much and I apologize to all of you but it feels good to vent

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@kenyalama

Thank you for your comment Athenalee.
I actually only have anti SSB with NO anti AA so doctors tell me I that true Sjogren’s patients must have positiive anti SAA not the BB that I have
I also suffer from severe gingivitis and mouth sores, coarseness on and off but they refuse to diagnose it
I feel frustrated lately
Doctors never deny my symptoms, my body shows abnormalities and MRIs etc show abnormalities but my serology is normal except for the Anti SBB antibodies and doctors are puzzled
I can’t walk because of severe pain
Typing is now hard because of small nerve neuropathy. I type with the side of my index finger
The other abnormality in my blood was very high iron levels and my PCP says it’s lab error
I will have it done again in a few months
My neurologist ordered scoliosis test
What else ?
I try very hard to get out of bed every day but I do and I smile for family and friends and I still live alone
I also have a pain pump for trigeminal neuralgia. The tip of the catheter ends in my brain and I still have pin and needles in my right cheek and electric pain in my right eyebrow but I can speak now and the pain is tolerable
I feel terrible sharing all of this it’s too much and I apologize to all of you but it feels good to vent

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Thank you again! I just read entirely the link you sent me
That is ME!! Including the robes with my veins! Swelling and hurting and bursting leaving bruises !
And yes my rheumatologist is only looking at my serology although I do have tge anti SSB etc
Last time I saw him he was dismissive to say the least. He even stretched my appointment to four months, did not want to drain the fluid from my knees ( yes both swollen, painful with Baker Cysyts each .
Now I know! Not see how to approach him!
I am on a Medicare advantage plan
I will go to bed a bit less guilty today. I know I am not making any of it up.
Thanks a million Shigren’s advocate
By the way the American Assiciation of rheumatologicals diseases is also strict :
It is not Sjogren’s without the anti SSA but I know what I feel and see and feel! in my own body
Thanks a million again

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I was diagnosed with Sjogren’s with high SS-B antibodies, no SS-A, positive for ANA-direct (anti-nuclear antibodies). Went on hydroxychloriquine right away, which had helped my muscular skeletal pain.

Perhaps you can find another rheumatologist.

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