Member Neuropathy Journey Stories: What's Yours?

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, May 12, 2020

This discussion was created as a place for members to share their journey with neuropathy. This will allow members to easily learn from each other what has helped them and hopefully help new members avoid some of the painful and difficult struggles some of us have faced. The following is a suggested outline for sharing your story that would be helpful for other members for comparison to their own neuropathy story.

— When did your neuropathy start? What were the symptoms? When and how was it diagnosed?
— What treatments or medications have you tried?
— What side effects have you had, if any?

Optional:
— What would you tell your best friend if they told you they had neuropathy?
— What activities have you had to give up because of neuropathy? What do you instead?
— How has your life changed socially? at work? at home?

What's your neuropathy story?

Note: If you want to ask a question for another member who has posted their neuropathy story here in this discussion, be sure to add their @membername in your post, for example @johnbishop. Your question may already be discussed in other neuropathy discussions. Be sure to check here first: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/group/neuropathy/ That way this discussion can be reserved for member neuropathy stories and hopefully make it easier to read and find similar symptoms to your own.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Neuropathy Support Group.

@johnbishop

@trieste here is the MFR discussion mentioned by @artscaping

Myofascial Release Therapy (MFR) for treating compression and pain: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/myofascial-release-therapy-mfr-for-treating-compression-and-pain/

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Thank you, Chris @artscaping and John @johnbishop for your thoughts. I just read up on restless leg syndrome and I don't have any urge to move my leg, and moving makes no difference in the pains. This is an all-of-the-time problem, not just at nighttime. Also, my understanding is that Gabapentin works well for many people with restless leg syndrome, and it did nothing for me. Thus, I don't think that is my problem. Chris, when you say your leg is "harmless" I'm not sure what that means. Are you currently pain free because of the therapy? The massage therapy sounds interesting and I think I will pursue that for possible relief. It certainly won't hurt to try and, if it works, I will be a happy camper! Thank you both; I sincerely appreciate getting your suggestions.

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@trieste

Thank you, Chris @artscaping and John @johnbishop for your thoughts. I just read up on restless leg syndrome and I don't have any urge to move my leg, and moving makes no difference in the pains. This is an all-of-the-time problem, not just at nighttime. Also, my understanding is that Gabapentin works well for many people with restless leg syndrome, and it did nothing for me. Thus, I don't think that is my problem. Chris, when you say your leg is "harmless" I'm not sure what that means. Are you currently pain free because of the therapy? The massage therapy sounds interesting and I think I will pursue that for possible relief. It certainly won't hurt to try and, if it works, I will be a happy camper! Thank you both; I sincerely appreciate getting your suggestions.

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@trieste, Harmless......means can’t hurt me anymore.
Chris

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@artscaping

@trieste, Harmless......means can’t hurt me anymore.
Chris

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So happy to hear! Thanks again!

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@johnbishop

I started my journey with neuropathy when I was in my early 50s, with some numbness that started in my toes on both feet. I mostly ignored it because there was no pain and I really didn’t think much about it. After a few years, the numbness progressed to the bottoms of both feet and I mentioned it to my primary care doctor who said it could be nerve damage. He said they could run some tests and determine if it was nerve damage. I asked if they determine if it is nerve damage what can be done. I was surprised when he mentioned there was not any treatment that will help with numbness.

The numbness gradually increased over the years and in my early 70s the numbness had progressed to just below my knees. It was at this point that I was worried about my mobility and what the future would hold so I talked with my primary care doctor who helped me get an appointment with a neurologist. The neurologist scheduled some lab tests including an MRI, nerve conduction test and a physical exam. I was diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy but unlike most people diagnosed with neuropathy I only had the numbness and no associated pain. I was disappointed that there was no treatment available even though I had a diagnosis but that is pretty much what my first doctor had told me 20 years ago.

After I received my diagnosis of small fiber PN I was trying every topical cream available that said it would help neuropathy with zero results. Then I found a book by Dr. Terry Wahls, The Wahls Protocol. She shared how using functional medicine and nutrient rich foods helped her treat her symptoms of multiple sclerosis and get her life back. This started my journey on looking at nutrition as a possible treatment for my neuropathy.

I learned there are a bunch of companies and folks with neuropathy treatments looking to take your money and it is up to you to do your own research and avoid scams. Fortunately, there is a lot of information on how to avoid scams but it is out of sight, out of mind for a lot of folks. Here are the ones I have used:

Quazar's wonderful guidance about avoiding scams and snake oil cures:
-- https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/how-to-avoid-quacks-and-snake-oil-treatments/

FDA's Health Fraud Page:
-- https://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm278980.htm

NIH's National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health (NCCIH) which offers guidance about integrative health and how to evaluate it:
-- https://nccih.nih.gov/health/decisions

That said, I have found a protocol of supplements developed by fellow neuropathy patients that works for me and has helped others with PN get off the pain medications. I was skeptical at first and took the list of supplements and vitamins to my doctor who shared it with the Mayo pharmacist to get his feedback on any interactions. His only comment was he thought the omega 3s in the list was high.

You can read more about it in this discussion:

Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/

I started taking the supplements/vitamins September 2016 and by December the numbness in both legs went from just below the knees to just above the ankles. I have not made any more progress, but I am OK with it since I feel it has stopped the progression. My neurologist had told me to just watch it and let him know when it gets worse – in other words there is nothing I can do to fix it. Recently I have seen some feeling return to my feet at different times during the day which gives me some hope of more progress and a new normal.

I’ve been a member of Mayo Clinic Connect since 2016. And it gives me great comfort to talk with others, share ideas and information, not only here in the Neuropathy group, but also in other groups as new health questions come up, like managing PMR, getting a knee replacement, a CPAP, etc. Ahh, the joys of aging. Hey, if you qualify ;-), you might also want to join me in this group on Connect: Aging Well. (See all 70+ Groups on Mayo Clinic Connect here: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/groups/)

What’s your neuropathy story?

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I was diagnosed with mild Idiopathic Neuropathy about 2 years ago . Symptoms have increased: Numbness and burning sensations, and sometimes cramping, from my knees to the bottom of my feet. The symptoms have gotten worse which led me to see my doctor who is a GP. Sleeping was difficult and I also have a sleep problem and use CPAP machine. I have had both knees replaced. One 13 years ago and the most recent one 2 years ago. With the last replacement I was swollen and bruised from my groin to my toes on the left side of my body. Over a period of several week this subsided.

The neuropathy symptoms have gotten worse and I have been told nothing can really be done by my General Practitioner. He has ordered Gammapentin 200mg at bed time. I was reluctant to take it because the side effects worried me. I am also taking meds for hypertension. Losartan 100mg/ HydroChlorothiazide (Hctz).12.5 mg, Amlodipine 5 mg. & Clopidogrel 75 mg., for a suspected TIA I had 6 years ago. From what I have researched, Losartan and Amlodopine side effects include neuropathy. Although i have not had an attack of Gout on Allopurinol in over 10 years, I was told that the Hctz caused the Gout and it was discontinued. I have not seen a neurologist. Despite this, I am a high functioning 87 year old, who runs a household and takes care of a husband on hospice. I am worried about disability in the future with this diagnosis. I am interested in hearing about other experiences wit this diagnosis.

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Happy to find this group as I believe that education seems to be a priority here. Support is wonderful, but at this point I am all about learning and understanding what is going on in my body, why it is happening and what should I be doing about it.
My neuropathy story is almost identical to John's. Neuropathy began five years ago (at age 66) with mild numbness in toes, then feet, ankles and now working up to the knee. Never consistent; severity and location varies day to day. More annoying than painful.
I have had enough testing done to be "diagnosed" with Polyneuropathy and my neurologist stated that he believed it would not progress. He recommended B1, D3 and B12 supplements and said I could come back anytime! I can't just let it be at that. I NEED to know! I have many questions and so, the research began. After a few leads from this group, especially Dr. Matthew Jensen's YouTube videos, I have a better understanding of my particular situation, some possible thoughts relating to cause and a better understanding of what might or might not be done about it.
My neuropathy? I have a Peripheral Neurological Disorder resulting in Polyneuropathy (nerves: currently manifesting as numbness in the lower limbs) and some minor indications of Myopathy (muscles: manifesting as slight loss of motor control in the hips.) I do not know to what extent this is Axonal loss/damage or Demyelination. I'd like to know how that is determined as it may give me a better understanding as to cause and outlook.
Background: No family history of neuropathy, but definitely diabetes and cardiovascular disease. My active and healthier lifestyle seems to have prevented those. I have always had high cholesterol and arthritis. Never treated either with medication. But, when the hips were far gone I had them replaced, five years ago! My neurologist seems to feel that was the culprit, but there are a few other possibilities including a rear-end car accident shortly after the hip surgeries. And maybe my 20+ years of high cholesterol??? What about blood sugar levels, though I'm not diabetic??? Vitamin and/or mineral deficiencies that have been tested??? I would like to dig a little deeper because there may be some contributing factors and those may determine what if anything I can do to stop the progression (if there is going to be any) of this disorder.
As for "treatment" I have tried many approaches over the last 3-4 years, giving each it's dedicated time and effort, but not always in the most organized manner. I've done plenty of physical therapy, TENS, vibrations plates, some minor attempts at spinal decompression, daily exercise, and of course the classic supplements including B1, B12, D3, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Biotin, fish oil, turmeric and will be adding Magnesium and Aloe Vera (for the cholesterol) this week. I also experimented with doing absolutely nothing for a few months.
Have I seen changes? Yes, daily; but completely random. Sometimes better, sometimes worse, Sometimes here, sometimes there! Nothing seems to have made a permanent change in the condition for good or bad. It clearly is "progressing" since five years ago it was only at my toes and now sometimes I feel numbness in my calves and shins. But, will that continue? Yes, or no, I'd like to know WHY.
So, onward I go, learning and looking for answers. But, trying not to obsess over it!

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@cameron2020

I was diagnosed with mild Idiopathic Neuropathy about 2 years ago . Symptoms have increased: Numbness and burning sensations, and sometimes cramping, from my knees to the bottom of my feet. The symptoms have gotten worse which led me to see my doctor who is a GP. Sleeping was difficult and I also have a sleep problem and use CPAP machine. I have had both knees replaced. One 13 years ago and the most recent one 2 years ago. With the last replacement I was swollen and bruised from my groin to my toes on the left side of my body. Over a period of several week this subsided.

The neuropathy symptoms have gotten worse and I have been told nothing can really be done by my General Practitioner. He has ordered Gammapentin 200mg at bed time. I was reluctant to take it because the side effects worried me. I am also taking meds for hypertension. Losartan 100mg/ HydroChlorothiazide (Hctz).12.5 mg, Amlodipine 5 mg. & Clopidogrel 75 mg., for a suspected TIA I had 6 years ago. From what I have researched, Losartan and Amlodopine side effects include neuropathy. Although i have not had an attack of Gout on Allopurinol in over 10 years, I was told that the Hctz caused the Gout and it was discontinued. I have not seen a neurologist. Despite this, I am a high functioning 87 year old, who runs a household and takes care of a husband on hospice. I am worried about disability in the future with this diagnosis. I am interested in hearing about other experiences wit this diagnosis.

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Hello @cameron2020, Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. Thank you for sharing your neuropathy journey experience. Your story is similar to mine. In addition to my idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy, I have obstructive sleep apnea, use a CPAP plus I have high blood pressure caused by primary aldosteronism which I take spironolactone 25 mg and hydrochlorothiazide 25 mg daily. I take supplements to help with my neuropathy. They are not a cure but I do believe they have slowed or stopped the progression since I started taking them in 2016. I also have lymphedema in both legs but somewhat worse in my right leg and I wear 20-30 mmhg compression socks which don't do much to help with the way the legs feel but does keep the swelling down. When I was diagnosed with neuropathy in 2016 I started making some lifestyle changes trying to exercise more and eat healthier which I'm sure also has helped me some.

It is great to hear that you are a high functioning 87 year young person. A positive attitude and learning as much as you can about your condition and available treatments will help you in the long run. A couple of sites I have found helpful for learning about neuropathy are

- Neuropathy Commons: https://neuropathycommons.org/
- Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy: https://www.foundationforpn.org/

You mentioned numbness, burning sensations and sometimes cramping in your legs. Have you discussed the symptoms with your doctor?

Just wondering if it might be similar to some issues I had with swelling in my legs before I was diagnosed with lymphedema. The main thing my doctor was worried about was a possibility of a DVT (deep vein thrombosis) or PAD (peripheral artery disease)
-- Mayo Clinic Q and A: Evaluating and treating leg numbness and cramping: https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-q-and-a-evaluating-and-treating-leg-numbness-and-cramping/

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@mamamarch

Happy to find this group as I believe that education seems to be a priority here. Support is wonderful, but at this point I am all about learning and understanding what is going on in my body, why it is happening and what should I be doing about it.
My neuropathy story is almost identical to John's. Neuropathy began five years ago (at age 66) with mild numbness in toes, then feet, ankles and now working up to the knee. Never consistent; severity and location varies day to day. More annoying than painful.
I have had enough testing done to be "diagnosed" with Polyneuropathy and my neurologist stated that he believed it would not progress. He recommended B1, D3 and B12 supplements and said I could come back anytime! I can't just let it be at that. I NEED to know! I have many questions and so, the research began. After a few leads from this group, especially Dr. Matthew Jensen's YouTube videos, I have a better understanding of my particular situation, some possible thoughts relating to cause and a better understanding of what might or might not be done about it.
My neuropathy? I have a Peripheral Neurological Disorder resulting in Polyneuropathy (nerves: currently manifesting as numbness in the lower limbs) and some minor indications of Myopathy (muscles: manifesting as slight loss of motor control in the hips.) I do not know to what extent this is Axonal loss/damage or Demyelination. I'd like to know how that is determined as it may give me a better understanding as to cause and outlook.
Background: No family history of neuropathy, but definitely diabetes and cardiovascular disease. My active and healthier lifestyle seems to have prevented those. I have always had high cholesterol and arthritis. Never treated either with medication. But, when the hips were far gone I had them replaced, five years ago! My neurologist seems to feel that was the culprit, but there are a few other possibilities including a rear-end car accident shortly after the hip surgeries. And maybe my 20+ years of high cholesterol??? What about blood sugar levels, though I'm not diabetic??? Vitamin and/or mineral deficiencies that have been tested??? I would like to dig a little deeper because there may be some contributing factors and those may determine what if anything I can do to stop the progression (if there is going to be any) of this disorder.
As for "treatment" I have tried many approaches over the last 3-4 years, giving each it's dedicated time and effort, but not always in the most organized manner. I've done plenty of physical therapy, TENS, vibrations plates, some minor attempts at spinal decompression, daily exercise, and of course the classic supplements including B1, B12, D3, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Biotin, fish oil, turmeric and will be adding Magnesium and Aloe Vera (for the cholesterol) this week. I also experimented with doing absolutely nothing for a few months.
Have I seen changes? Yes, daily; but completely random. Sometimes better, sometimes worse, Sometimes here, sometimes there! Nothing seems to have made a permanent change in the condition for good or bad. It clearly is "progressing" since five years ago it was only at my toes and now sometimes I feel numbness in my calves and shins. But, will that continue? Yes, or no, I'd like to know WHY.
So, onward I go, learning and looking for answers. But, trying not to obsess over it!

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Hello @mamamarch, Welcome to Connect. Thanks for sharing your neuropathy journey. I too have had 20+ years of high cholesterol along with 100+ pounds of extra baggage to carry around with me daily 🙂. I'm sure the extra weight contributed negatively to both my high cholesterol numbers and made it harder on my legs with the neuropathy. I've also done my share with PT, TENS units, a cheap inversion table to help with the back and various supplements before I settled on the protocol I'm currently taking (https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/).

I like your glass half full outlook. It will go a long ways helping you learn as much as you can about your condition and hopefully finding something that will help you. You mentioned having an active and healthier lifestyle seems to have helped you. I'm with you on focusing on both of those areas of my life. I think both have helped me the past couple of years since I've become more focused on it.

You mentioned you have some minor indications of Myopathy. There is a recent discussion here that you might want to view if you are looking to meet others discussing the condition - Non Specific Myopathy: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/non-specific-myopathy/.

The short answer to your question - Can You Stop Neuropathy From Getting Worse?: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can-you-stop-neuropathy-from-getting-worse/

What have you found so far that has helped you the most?

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@Erinmfs

My neuropathy story began with Myasthenia Gravis. I didn't know what it was. My left arm and left leg has neuropathy before going numb. Scared me, and I forgot to take my levothyroxine medications, so I suffered from myexedema (severe hypothyroidism) too. It took 2 years to figure out that it was Myasthenia Gravis, scariest period of my life.

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So sorry to hear of your trouble. It must be so difficult. I have several illnesses but for now at least the Peripheral neuropathy is the most disturbing.

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Hello, It is good to discover this site and begin to read through some of the stories others have posted. I sometimes feel quite alone in my struggle with neuropathy. It is difficult even for my beloved spouse to understand. I look well and continue to be very active--blessed in that way. I ski vigorously, walk several miles a day when that is not possible, bike during the summer, etc. But I hurt, too. And am mostly numb from the waist down. I am 67 years old, male, retired (mostly). My only other health concern is aortic stenosis. My heart functions well, but I will need a valve replacement in the next few years.

My story began as some of yours did, with a sharp pain in one toe in one foot. Nobody could figure out why. I saw a podiatrist, who removed the nail and another, who cut a tendon. No change. I could still do what I was doing, but end up with screamworthy pain at times. If I took off my shoe, it would pass quickly. Later, I noticed that the toes on that foot had become rather numb, especially the third and fourth toes. And then, a month or so after that, I noticed that the other foot was also becoming numb. I went to my GP; he diagnosed me with Morton's Neuroma and told me to buy wider shoes, which I did. Little improvement.

About that time, I had a cystoscopy done, to see if there was a way to manage frequent urination--prostate enlargement was not the problem it turned out. But instead, I ended up with a urinary tract infection. The doctors ordered cipro and within days, I had shooting, burning, prickling pain up and down my legs. Soon after, numbness set in. This was 7 months ago. Since, the burning pain and superficial numbness has crept up to my waist. I have also experienced burning and odd feelings of discomfort around my ribs and heart on the left side, and often, tingling and "falling asleep" feelings in my fingers on both hands, especially at night in bed. That can quickly be remedied by moving my hands, but it comes back quickly, too. I have no idea if that is related to the PN in my lower body.

I've been to Mayo twice and have another appt soon. So far, no diagnosis beyond idiopathic. Most tests are normal, although my autonomic reflex screen was somewhat strange. I need to have that repeated without taking certain medications. But to this point, the docs have ruled out some conditions and still do not have an answer as to why I am going through this, whether it will go away, continue to progress, etc. All of which makes me very, very anxious. I have a hard time thinking about anything else. Doc prescribed Gabapentin but it does not seem to help; rather, causes my vision to blur slightly and often, I have a slight headache. I am thinking of discontinuing it.

I am using an app called curable.com to try to reprogram my brain from focusing so exclusively on the pain. This has been the most helpful thing so far. Also: prayer.

But it feels pretty lonely and sometimes kind of hopeless. I desperately want to handle aging better than this.

Sitting is very difficult for me. An hour or so and I'm pretty uncomfortable. I desperately want to see my Mom (89 and not in good health) and two of our kids, all of whom live in the NW, far from us. So we are planning a trip. I must admit, I am concerned about traveling and discomfort--and I don't want to continually complain about my neuropathy sensations to my wife!

Well, thank you for listening and also sharing your stories. I hope to glean some helpful information from you and if nothing else, my story, will also help you to know that you are not alone in your suffering.

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@trieste

Very interesting thread! I would love getting input as I have no diagnosis. I was prediabetic for about 7 years before becoming diabetic. I lost about 10 pounds (now at 123#) and have given up all dessert and, with an A1C of 5.4, I am no longer diabetic or even prediabetic. Overall, I eat a very healthy diet of veggies, protein and fruit, all in small portions. About three years ago my right leg started having really strange things going on, with the incidents lasting only seconds. By incidents I mean the sensations of being punched, being stabbed with a needle, being pinched, being burned and the like. These happen throughout my left leg only. Otherwise, I also have a small amount of tingling in my feet and legs, but it isn't bothersome. It's the other "stuff" in my right leg that is problematic as it can prevent me from sleeping, and can startle me awake in the middle of the night. I had read that it might go away in a year so I did nothing. Then I read there isn't anything that can be done anyway. I also have a torn meniscus and arthritis in my knee of the same leg but the ortho doc believes it isn't enough to do surgery. Gabapentin did nothing for the sleep/leg pains. Now I just take a single Aleve pill in the evening but it isn't doing much, if anything. Any thoughts on what might be the problem? Any reason to go to the doctor? Would massage or acupuncture help? Any thoughts on whether this might get worse? Of course, I'm still hoping one day it just goes away! Wishful thinking? Thank you for your consideration.

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Yeah, I don't know that there are any easy answers, but from what I've heard and read, it is helpful to keep digging. Sometimes acupuncture and massage do seem to help people. And sometimes, according to my neurologist anyway, these things can fade or go away. You never know. Gabapentin did not help me, but my understanding is that there are some other meds worth trying. But meds also have side effects. I have found some help from an app called curable.com dealing with chronic pain. One of the images that I resort to is this: pain is like a merry go round moving fast. Remember that when you were a kid? Sometimes you'd be on the merry go round and other times, one of those pushing it. Fear/anxiety/focusing on that pain is like a person pushing the merry go round. The more you push, the worse the pain gets. But it's so hard not to keep thinking about it, keep asking what's next, will it get worse, etc. I'm working on not shoving that merry go round quite so much.

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