oh i now see the comments above mine, sorry, not thinking straight today, will offer to daughters friend in Australia, have to be careful offering help when havent been asked for it, but she has known my daughter for ions and daughter went to her wedding to be bridesmaid; now she is alone and no employment and inpain and i am wondering what I could possibly do to help so will obtain her facebook chat and tell her about this site....enough to worry about pain let alone how to exist with no income... best wishes to everyone with this condition... not sure what health care system is in Australia.... thanks for letting me share J.