@rans Foamy urine is a rather complex issue, but it is a sign of various diseases. When there is an excess of non-dietary protein (putting out more than about a half-gram of protein per 24 hours) the proteins will live only about 2-3 hours before they die. When they die, the body either sheds them in urine (foam) or deposits them in some tissue (Amyloidosis). My form is Gelsolin, also known as Finnish Amyloidosis or Meretoja's Amyloidosis. With Gelsolin the impact grows with age. I am 80, and this stuff just gets worse every month. There is lots of info on Gelsolin, particularly at the Univ of Helsinki Hospital and med school. You can also Google it easily. It is also thought to mutate into Fukuyama (FKTN) Limb Girdle Muscular Dystrophy, which makes it a sure mark of a Gelsolin diagnosis. It is usually inherited, but there are only about 2,000 or so known cases in the USA at the moment. Physicians fight like hell to keep from diagnosing Gelsolin, no matter what name is used. A diagnosis is no good, because there is no treatment, no cure, and no money to be made by dealing with it. So it will be dX as anything else in order to prescribe some treatment that provides a little income. Mine has now come very close to 100 different names, ranging from non-alcoholic fatty liver to dilated cardiomyopathy, Old Karl
@trellg132
Does this seem to be a constant issue you have every day?
Is your urine dark (concentrated?)
Do you have Diabetes or High Blood pressure?
Has this started since beginning a new medication?
Have you recently had a kidney function test?
Jake
@trellg132
Does this seem to be a constant issue you have every day?
Is your urine dark (concentrated?)
Do you have Diabetes or High Blood pressure?
Has this started since beginning a new medication?
Have you recently had a kidney function test?
Jake
@trellg132
I’d suggest you make an appointment with your primary care physician or a urologist who would be able to recommend the proper tests and diagnose this issue.
If I were you I would ask him if the foam
in your urine is related at all to your high blood pressure. It’s a definite a possibility.
Jake
Eating too much protein is very rarely the issue. This is almost always dead/dying liver-formed protein. The protein is formed, mis-folds, forms another, and dies within a couple hours or so. It can then be deposited in any tissue in the body as prions, or be deposited in any liquid waste. If your body is excreting more than a half-gram of protein in 24 hours, you are moving into dangerous territory. The Bindings Site Serum Free Lite Chain assay, coupled with the 24-hour urinary protein measurement, should give very good analysis. But you must be careful. There are too many scrap-paper labs out there, mostly owned by doctors, which do not have the rights or the equipment to do the sFLC or the 24-hour, so they fake up something else, and say "Oh, it's OK. This person is going to die anyway." ALWAYS be sure the lab is licensed. I use ARUP in Salt Lake City, mostly, but there others with great records, such as Boston, Emory, Duke, MD Anderson.
Tylenol folks say most dietary kidney damage is done by acetaminophen, both the good stuff, and the fake. The big problem is over-eating acetaminophen. I take a lot, but no more than the directions on the container indicate.
@bdade59. About the foamy urine and protein. This foam is LIVER produced protein which has died and begun the decay process, not dietary as from eating too much protein. The kidneys then do not extract the dead protein as they should. The foam on the urine is easy to note. Mine is almost always at least 1 cm (1/2 inch) thick on the toilet water, and sometimes up to 3 cm. If you can watch carefully, and perhaps catch the urine in a clear container you will see that the urine may have a very fine foamy texture. I record the general depth of the foam each morning. It is a mark of some Amyloidosis Light Chain difficulty, and should never be ignored. It is rarely dehydration or full bladder. https://www.OncLive.com says the Amyloidosis Serum Free Light Chain (sFLC), coupled with the 24 hour urine collection will give a very good reading on the state of our liver and kidneys. The sFLC is very accurate at the protein output at this level. The older tests are good only at much higher levels. The acceptable level of daily hepatic protein output is UNDER (<) 0.5 grams. Above that level reside many diseases. But do not use any lab or test not extremely accurate at the lower levels. oldkarl
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I’d suggest you make an appointment with your primary care physician or a urologist who would be able to recommend the proper tests and diagnose this issue.
If I were you I would ask him if the foam
in your urine is related at all to your high blood pressure. It’s a definite a possibility.
Jake
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@trellg132 In my personal experience, foamy urine is a symptom of diabetes. When I have too many carbs my urine is definitely foamy.
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1 Reaction@rans Foamy urine is a rather complex issue, but it is a sign of various diseases. When there is an excess of non-dietary protein (putting out more than about a half-gram of protein per 24 hours) the proteins will live only about 2-3 hours before they die. When they die, the body either sheds them in urine (foam) or deposits them in some tissue (Amyloidosis). My form is Gelsolin, also known as Finnish Amyloidosis or Meretoja's Amyloidosis. With Gelsolin the impact grows with age. I am 80, and this stuff just gets worse every month. There is lots of info on Gelsolin, particularly at the Univ of Helsinki Hospital and med school. You can also Google it easily. It is also thought to mutate into Fukuyama (FKTN) Limb Girdle Muscular Dystrophy, which makes it a sure mark of a Gelsolin diagnosis. It is usually inherited, but there are only about 2,000 or so known cases in the USA at the moment. Physicians fight like hell to keep from diagnosing Gelsolin, no matter what name is used. A diagnosis is no good, because there is no treatment, no cure, and no money to be made by dealing with it. So it will be dX as anything else in order to prescribe some treatment that provides a little income. Mine has now come very close to 100 different names, ranging from non-alcoholic fatty liver to dilated cardiomyopathy, Old Karl
@trellg132
Does this seem to be a constant issue you have every day?
Is your urine dark (concentrated?)
Do you have Diabetes or High Blood pressure?
Has this started since beginning a new medication?
Have you recently had a kidney function test?
Jake
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I’d suggest you make an appointment with your primary care physician or a urologist who would be able to recommend the proper tests and diagnose this issue.
If I were you I would ask him if the foam
in your urine is related at all to your high blood pressure. It’s a definite a possibility.
Jake
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2 ReactionsEating too much protein is very rarely the issue. This is almost always dead/dying liver-formed protein. The protein is formed, mis-folds, forms another, and dies within a couple hours or so. It can then be deposited in any tissue in the body as prions, or be deposited in any liquid waste. If your body is excreting more than a half-gram of protein in 24 hours, you are moving into dangerous territory. The Bindings Site Serum Free Lite Chain assay, coupled with the 24-hour urinary protein measurement, should give very good analysis. But you must be careful. There are too many scrap-paper labs out there, mostly owned by doctors, which do not have the rights or the equipment to do the sFLC or the 24-hour, so they fake up something else, and say "Oh, it's OK. This person is going to die anyway." ALWAYS be sure the lab is licensed. I use ARUP in Salt Lake City, mostly, but there others with great records, such as Boston, Emory, Duke, MD Anderson.
Tylenol folks say most dietary kidney damage is done by acetaminophen, both the good stuff, and the fake. The big problem is over-eating acetaminophen. I take a lot, but no more than the directions on the container indicate.
@bdade59. About the foamy urine and protein. This foam is LIVER produced protein which has died and begun the decay process, not dietary as from eating too much protein. The kidneys then do not extract the dead protein as they should. The foam on the urine is easy to note. Mine is almost always at least 1 cm (1/2 inch) thick on the toilet water, and sometimes up to 3 cm. If you can watch carefully, and perhaps catch the urine in a clear container you will see that the urine may have a very fine foamy texture. I record the general depth of the foam each morning. It is a mark of some Amyloidosis Light Chain difficulty, and should never be ignored. It is rarely dehydration or full bladder. https://www.OncLive.com says the Amyloidosis Serum Free Light Chain (sFLC), coupled with the 24 hour urine collection will give a very good reading on the state of our liver and kidneys. The sFLC is very accurate at the protein output at this level. The older tests are good only at much higher levels. The acceptable level of daily hepatic protein output is UNDER (<) 0.5 grams. Above that level reside many diseases. But do not use any lab or test not extremely accurate at the lower levels. oldkarl
I do have high blood pressure I take meds for I about to do a 24hr urine test