@merpreb The medical folks. No one seems to want to hear the “P” word. I can deal with the depression. Not dealing well with both. I feel like they don’t believe me. I tell them a good day is a “5” on their pain scale and these are infrequent. I guess I am asking too much to try to find alternatives. It it the depression that keep me from getting help! I see a therapist occasionally just to keep the medical people satisfied as they always ask. Sorry I am doing too much circle talk.