Back Surgery

Posted by kitkat100 @kitkat100, Aug 9, 2018

Has anyone had lower back discs fused? I am facing this soon and am trying everything I can to not do this. Powerful shots have stopped working. I've heard horror stories and am scared to death to do this. Anyone out there have luck and success with this surgery?

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@oregongirl

Pitser, Do you think the shots will also give my body relief from the RA? I usually get a small shot at each visit to my doctor. This time, she passed on it. Probably knowing how much I would get Monday. I don't know.

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Grandma's. A Dr is giving shots. That is all he does. He is an anetheoisiogist. I hope they last at least two months. Especially my neck. I wonder what life is like without pain.

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@gailb

@kikake

Welcome to Mayo Connect. I'm sorry to read that you've had problems with your back that now require major surgery. I am a Volunteer Mentor and not a medical professional, therefore I cannot make medical diagnoses or give medical advice. I do offer my experience, knowledge, and support for members of the community.

In December, 2016, I had a laminectomy on my L5-S1 that has given me complete relief of the chronic and acute pain on my left side I was experiencing at the time. I also have chronic pain in my right hip, leg and foot that my surgeon said will require major surgery involving rods and pins to fix. He recommended that I try everything else first to relieve the pain. So, that's what I did. After 2 rounds of physical therapy, acupuncture, and massage that didn't help, I read about Active Release Technique ( ART ) on Mayo Connect. The person who wrote about it said it completely worked for him. In an effort to avoid the same kind of surgery you are considering, I decided to try it.

Research online by Googling revealed that ART involves very deep muscle massage along with limb movement that releases muscles and nerves that are bound together as a result of some kind of trauma. I then researched practitioners in my area of Southern California, and found that they were all chiropractors. I was skeptical about this, so I looked for the chiropractor who had the most ART training and certifications. I also checked with some people I trust and the chiropractor I had picked was highly recommended.

Long story short, I was nearly pain free after 6 sessions over 3 weeks. Hard to believe I know, but true. Over a year later, I am still basically pain free. I go for monthly tweaks, and a couple of times I have overdone things and needed some extra sessions, but it has worked for me. I am off the three pain medications I was taking previously. Occasionally when I have pain now, usually osteoarthritis, I take Tylenol or use CBD tincture. If my back hurts, I take a half pill of my Tramadol 50 mg that I was taking four times a day previously. I rarely need it and when I do, I schedule an ART appointment immediately.

Avoiding back surgery has been my experience, along with the much simpler laminectomy. Prior to my outpatient surgery, I was in a wheelchair, and prior to the ART treatments, I couldn’t walk up or down steps. I do everything I want now, pretty much pain free. I don't know if your back is beyond where I am, because when the surgeon recommended shots I turned him down.

I had watched my brother get multiple shots in his back and they didn't work. Both of my older brothers have had major back surgeries. My 76 year old brother has had multiple back surgeries, and while they have helped, they haven't relieved his pain. My 72 year old brother has had 1 surgery that helped him tremendously at first, but now 3 years later he's having a lot of pain. He does too much though, and will not stop hurting his back. So, I don't know if your surgery will help your pain. As my brother's surgeon told him, the surgery will keep him out of a wheelchair, but not out of pain. He was pretty much pain free at first, but kept injuring it by doing physically demanding work.

I'm hoping that other members in addition to @grandmar and @oregongirl will chime in here. I invite @lioness to give you her wisdom and experience as well. If you're willing to share answers to my questions, it will help us support you.
1. How did you originally injure your back?
2. How long have you been getting shots and what kind are they?
3. Have you sought a second opinion from another doctor?
4. What was your diagnosis after MRIs and other tests?
5. Are you still ambulatory or do you need a wheelchair or walker?

Please share more with us in the community. I am hoping the best for you.

Gail
Volunteer Mentor

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Thanks to @gailb and @lioness. To answer a few questions from Gail, here is what I know:
No physical injury traumatized my back (that I am aware of):

1) Spondylolisthesis L4-S1,
2) Degenerative disc disease L3-L4 and L4-S1, hypertrophy, narrow fromiam, Lateral recess.

Over the years, I have had the rhizotomys and shots from pain doctors. Worked for awhile. Then graduated to powerful steroid injections only given by my neurosurgeon. Worked for a short time, but last time they hardly worked at all. I can only get these powerful shots twice a year. I am really afraid to have my chiropractor mess with it too much. I know my doctor said no twisting or turning type movements from chiropractor. I have 2 opinions and they are basically the same. First neurosurgeon top in his field but no nonsense. Tried pain docs. He finally said surgery would be the only thing to relieve. Went to another top neurosurgeon (recommendation from a friend) and she is currently who I am with. She too says I am facing surgery. I live on a limited income so not sure about the chiropractor ART as I imagine Medicare and supplemental plan will not pay for...but that said, I have not looked into it yet. PT helps for a short while but pain does not go away....ever! My sciatic nerves have become more inflamed, with my right side being the worse side. The pain has progressed in a year so I am at my wits end! Will try water aerobics.
I try to stay active as much as possible but am somewhat limited as I had a knee replacement 7 months ago and that is still giving me problems with my IT band...hence, cannot stand, sit or walk for too long. That's it in a nutshell!

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@oregongirl

I too also thought concrete would break loose. I am trusting Dr. Oh my!!!!. Now Monday I am getting shots in my neck and following Monday my back. I am concerned that they stay away from concrete area.

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@oregongirl be active tell them I do when I see chiropractor or pain Dr

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@oregongirl

I refuse to live in Senior living. I hate being around a lot of women. I have never been social. My kids have enough control of me, don't need another layer if help. At least in my own place, I shut the door, lock it and I am happy. I know I sound hard to be around but when I do have a friend I do my very best to be polite and enjoy their company. My sister on the other hand has been practicing for years on her crafts and pot lucks. She will fit right in. LOL

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@ Oregongirl Im like you I don't let other people tell me what to do but on the other hand I pick my friends I've weeded out people that are negative for one Im sorry this is a bad day for you ,for me on those days I put meditation muscle on and try to clear my mind thats a tough one haha

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@oregongirl

I refuse to live in Senior living. I hate being around a lot of women. I have never been social. My kids have enough control of me, don't need another layer if help. At least in my own place, I shut the door, lock it and I am happy. I know I sound hard to be around but when I do have a friend I do my very best to be polite and enjoy their company. My sister on the other hand has been practicing for years on her crafts and pot lucks. She will fit right in. LOL

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Lioness. That God for you. I knew I would find someone on here that I could talk to. I feel better. Yesterday I was having cramps in leg I gave my shot in. Today I slipped out to pramacy and he told me I have to give shot in my belly now. Wow. Oh well only once a week. I must be careful with this drug as it destroys white blood cells which fight off my potential Miloma. Blood work essential. Do you have a fun hobby. I paint and I had better get to it as I tire easily and I have at least 4 paintings I want to leave my kids.

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@gailb

@kikake

Welcome to Mayo Connect. I'm sorry to read that you've had problems with your back that now require major surgery. I am a Volunteer Mentor and not a medical professional, therefore I cannot make medical diagnoses or give medical advice. I do offer my experience, knowledge, and support for members of the community.

In December, 2016, I had a laminectomy on my L5-S1 that has given me complete relief of the chronic and acute pain on my left side I was experiencing at the time. I also have chronic pain in my right hip, leg and foot that my surgeon said will require major surgery involving rods and pins to fix. He recommended that I try everything else first to relieve the pain. So, that's what I did. After 2 rounds of physical therapy, acupuncture, and massage that didn't help, I read about Active Release Technique ( ART ) on Mayo Connect. The person who wrote about it said it completely worked for him. In an effort to avoid the same kind of surgery you are considering, I decided to try it.

Research online by Googling revealed that ART involves very deep muscle massage along with limb movement that releases muscles and nerves that are bound together as a result of some kind of trauma. I then researched practitioners in my area of Southern California, and found that they were all chiropractors. I was skeptical about this, so I looked for the chiropractor who had the most ART training and certifications. I also checked with some people I trust and the chiropractor I had picked was highly recommended.

Long story short, I was nearly pain free after 6 sessions over 3 weeks. Hard to believe I know, but true. Over a year later, I am still basically pain free. I go for monthly tweaks, and a couple of times I have overdone things and needed some extra sessions, but it has worked for me. I am off the three pain medications I was taking previously. Occasionally when I have pain now, usually osteoarthritis, I take Tylenol or use CBD tincture. If my back hurts, I take a half pill of my Tramadol 50 mg that I was taking four times a day previously. I rarely need it and when I do, I schedule an ART appointment immediately.

Avoiding back surgery has been my experience, along with the much simpler laminectomy. Prior to my outpatient surgery, I was in a wheelchair, and prior to the ART treatments, I couldn’t walk up or down steps. I do everything I want now, pretty much pain free. I don't know if your back is beyond where I am, because when the surgeon recommended shots I turned him down.

I had watched my brother get multiple shots in his back and they didn't work. Both of my older brothers have had major back surgeries. My 76 year old brother has had multiple back surgeries, and while they have helped, they haven't relieved his pain. My 72 year old brother has had 1 surgery that helped him tremendously at first, but now 3 years later he's having a lot of pain. He does too much though, and will not stop hurting his back. So, I don't know if your surgery will help your pain. As my brother's surgeon told him, the surgery will keep him out of a wheelchair, but not out of pain. He was pretty much pain free at first, but kept injuring it by doing physically demanding work.

I'm hoping that other members in addition to @grandmar and @oregongirl will chime in here. I invite @lioness to give you her wisdom and experience as well. If you're willing to share answers to my questions, it will help us support you.
1. How did you originally injure your back?
2. How long have you been getting shots and what kind are they?
3. Have you sought a second opinion from another doctor?
4. What was your diagnosis after MRIs and other tests?
5. Are you still ambulatory or do you need a wheelchair or walker?

Please share more with us in the community. I am hoping the best for you.

Gail
Volunteer Mentor

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@kitkat100 As we age our backs throughout our lives endure alot ,once we hurt are back as you know it will never be the same Theres a good website you can look at. http://Www.nicch.nih.com through my experience as a retired nurse I tend to help myself with what I can before I have any back surgery .water aerobic are great and less severe on our joints, Yoga,back exercises to name a few I fractured my back in 2005 ,refused surgery but for some it works Im glad this is your decision to make Im just saying what works for me.Are you on any anti-inflammatory meds? I use a ginger-tumeric tea ,taste good and relieves my inflamation

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@oregongirl

I refuse to live in Senior living. I hate being around a lot of women. I have never been social. My kids have enough control of me, don't need another layer if help. At least in my own place, I shut the door, lock it and I am happy. I know I sound hard to be around but when I do have a friend I do my very best to be polite and enjoy their company. My sister on the other hand has been practicing for years on her crafts and pot lucks. She will fit right in. LOL

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@oregongirl Last post didn't go through Testing this one

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@oregongirl

I refuse to live in Senior living. I hate being around a lot of women. I have never been social. My kids have enough control of me, don't need another layer if help. At least in my own place, I shut the door, lock it and I am happy. I know I sound hard to be around but when I do have a friend I do my very best to be polite and enjoy their company. My sister on the other hand has been practicing for years on her crafts and pot lucks. She will fit right in. LOL

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@oregongirl what i nd of shot are you getting may I ask I like to write ,anything even ranting or I,ll write to someone who has hurt me then tear it up helps Havent painted in awhile but love music meditation.

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I guess it is for the pain. In my neck. One week later my spine will also be injected. Actually my Dr assured me they do not touch the spine.

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@oregongirl

I refuse to live in Senior living. I hate being around a lot of women. I have never been social. My kids have enough control of me, don't need another layer if help. At least in my own place, I shut the door, lock it and I am happy. I know I sound hard to be around but when I do have a friend I do my very best to be polite and enjoy their company. My sister on the other hand has been practicing for years on her crafts and pot lucks. She will fit right in. LOL

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Got both

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