Diagnosed with prostate cancer, where to go now in this moment?

Posted by ap31126 @ap31126, Oct 12 7:52pm

Hello , All new to this I was diagnosed prostate cancer a few months ago after having a PSA test at 20.1 3 yrs before that PSA 4.5 in 2023. what a shock was that never in my family's history was no prostate cancer. I went through an MRI which didn't show much then came outpatient surgery for biopsy that came back 6 spots on my prostate. Gleason score 3+4=7 . Had to get after that an PET test to see if the cancer spread outside my prostate but no it didn't. My Urologist had two options for me Radiation or Surgery and at this time I find myself in a bind. Any advice ?

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@suzdog Search ‘radiation dermatitis’…very common.
Don’t know about itching all over, but definitely could occur on the abdomen, sides and back with prostate therapy. That’s ‘all over’ in my world!
The remedies are mostly the same as for severe dry skin or there are even some meds which may help…Best,
Phil

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@heavyphil I am taking Cetirizine which in my head seems to be helping but the itching is not gone from everywhere. This is what I found out that is most closely tied to my symptoms. Radiation can cause a type of chronic, widespread itching known as neuropathic itch, which happens when nerve fibers are irritated or damaged rather than the skin itself.
When you received your prostate radiation treatments, the powerful energy beams had to pass through the pelvic floor and surrounding tissues. Even though radiation oncologists target the prostate as precisely as possible, healthy tissues—including the complex web of nerves in the pelvic region—absorb some of that energy.
Here is how that can translate into full-body or widespread itching:
• Disrupted Nerve Signaling: Radiation can injure or cause localized scarring (fibrosis) around microscopic nerve fibers. If the nerves that normally transmit sensory signals are damaged, they can start misfiring. Instead of sending a signal that says "pain" or "touch," they continuously fire a phantom signal that your brain interprets as a deep, unyielding itch.
• The Pelvic-Systemic Connection (Cross-Sensitization): The nerves in your pelvis share pathways and "switchboards" in your spinal cord with nerves that travel to other parts of your body. When nerves in the pelvic floor are chronically irritated, it can trigger a state called central sensitization. Essentially, the central nervous system becomes hyper-reactive, turning quiet nerve pathways throughout your entire body into an active, generalized itchy or crawling sensation.
• Neuropathic vs. Dermatological Itch: This explains why standard allergy medications (like antihistamines) or standard lotions don't work for you. A regular itch comes from histamines in the skin; a neuropathic itch comes from a misfiring nervous system.

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@heavyphil I am taking Cetirizine which in my head seems to be helping but the itching is not gone from everywhere. This is what I found out that is most closely tied to my symptoms. Radiation can cause a type of chronic, widespread itching known as neuropathic itch, which happens when nerve fibers are irritated or damaged rather than the skin itself.
When you received your prostate radiation treatments, the powerful energy beams had to pass through the pelvic floor and surrounding tissues. Even though radiation oncologists target the prostate as precisely as possible, healthy tissues—including the complex web of nerves in the pelvic region—absorb some of that energy.
Here is how that can translate into full-body or widespread itching:
• Disrupted Nerve Signaling: Radiation can injure or cause localized scarring (fibrosis) around microscopic nerve fibers. If the nerves that normally transmit sensory signals are damaged, they can start misfiring. Instead of sending a signal that says "pain" or "touch," they continuously fire a phantom signal that your brain interprets as a deep, unyielding itch.
• The Pelvic-Systemic Connection (Cross-Sensitization): The nerves in your pelvis share pathways and "switchboards" in your spinal cord with nerves that travel to other parts of your body. When nerves in the pelvic floor are chronically irritated, it can trigger a state called central sensitization. Essentially, the central nervous system becomes hyper-reactive, turning quiet nerve pathways throughout your entire body into an active, generalized itchy or crawling sensation.
• Neuropathic vs. Dermatological Itch: This explains why standard allergy medications (like antihistamines) or standard lotions don't work for you. A regular itch comes from histamines in the skin; a neuropathic itch comes from a misfiring nervous system.

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@suzdog Thankfully, I never suffered from this SE; but I am pretty sure it is nerve related, not simply ‘dry skin’.
Have you tried acupuncture? Again, I have not had the need for it, but many friends and patients have found relief from many ailments not amenable to current medical practices. Best,
Phil

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@ap31126, you've gotten a lot of feedback from the guys. I hope this was helpful in your decision making. Maybe a little overwhelming?

How are you doing with the treatment decision making? How are doing in general?

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@suzdog Thankfully, I never suffered from this SE; but I am pretty sure it is nerve related, not simply ‘dry skin’.
Have you tried acupuncture? Again, I have not had the need for it, but many friends and patients have found relief from many ailments not amenable to current medical practices. Best,
Phil

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@heavyphil Thanks Phil.. I have never used it but where I live there is a whole community within a short drive that offers that treatment. I may look into it if this gets worse. Like anything you get used to it after awhile. I have back scratchers in my tv/computer room, my cars, my bedroom. lol... That keeps me sane & I use them a lot. Life goes on. All the Best. Have a great weekend !!

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Very sorry to hear your diagnosis but by viewing this site, previous comments and advice that you will receive you will see that your initial diagnosis of a Gleason 7 (3+4) appears favorable. One thing that you will be encouraged to share is your detailed biopsy results as this will help guide many in their advice. Something that you did not mention is Decipher testing for determining the aggressiveness of the cancer. The comments will generally come in three groups, Radiation patients (multiple different types of Radiation protocols) that will take time to get a handle around that will certainly get explained to you. Surgery, less options but extremely important to understand the options and how they can affect possible side effects and quicker recovery time. What is important in the surgery realm, is the Surgeon’s expertise in how many he has done. If your Urologist says he can do the Surgery I would certainly be hesitant as he probably does not have the experience of the number of procedures that you need as he is more likely a jack of all trades(different surgeries) in the urology surgical world. The third area is possibly Active Surveillance. You will likely be asked to share some personal information like age and part of the country that you reside. Age is important in treatment consideration’s and where you live possible referrals to major cancer centers and experienced Radiation Oncologist’s and Surgeons in your area. You will be recommended to get second opinions regarding treatment approaches. I am a surgery case and highly recommend that you research Retzius sparing surgery or a similar procedure that does not cut the Puboprostatic ligament to the bladder. Most of the surgical techniques done by the majority of surgeons cut the ligament in a standard Robotic Assisted Laparoscopic Prostatectomy (RALP). It is important to know which actual procedure that you would possibly want to pursue if you go a surgical route to get referred to that surgeon. It is alot to digest and I could go on and on, but just getting your diagnosis you have time to gather information. Best if luck

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@wheel1 , Thank you for all advice you have given me in my decision making it's tough deciding which way to go in my journey. I'm 60 yrs old and have a underlying condition called mitral valve prolapse with my heart so I shouldn't go the route of surgery due to how long the surgery is what I heard in my opinion. I'm passed the Active surveillance route what I was told.

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@ap31126, you've gotten a lot of feedback from the guys. I hope this was helpful in your decision making. Maybe a little overwhelming?

How are you doing with the treatment decision making? How are doing in general?

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@colleenyoung , Hi I'm doing great with all the advice I was given from everyone on here I'm thankful for it. October 29th I hopefully able to decide on that from my second opinion appointment has to say ?

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I like to thank you all who gave me all that great advice on my decision making to which route to go in and my apologies for not getting back to everyone.

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@wheel1 , Thank you for all advice you have given me in my decision making it's tough deciding which way to go in my journey. I'm 60 yrs old and have a underlying condition called mitral valve prolapse with my heart so I shouldn't go the route of surgery due to how long the surgery is what I heard in my opinion. I'm passed the Active surveillance route what I was told.

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@ap31126
FYI, i also have a Mitral Valve Prolapse. I did need my cardiologist sign off for surgery.

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Getting that first diagnosis is tough, as is all the decisions you'll be faced with. All I can do is tell you how I approached it when I was first diagnosed back in 2020, when I was 71. My gleason score was 9 (5+4).

This basic decision, as you've found, is to decide between surgery and ADT plus radiation. What I did was schedule a conference with the radiation oncologist, and the surgical oncologist. Both are very respected in their fields. I specifically asked them to give a complete, as neutral as they can, overview of their specialty and to tell me the pros and cons. Each sessions was about an hour and a half. They each, of course, were biased to their own approach, but both did admit that each approach was equally effective. My oncologist confirmed this.

I chose radiation and ABT for two reasons. One, there is less chance for urinary leakage. Two, with surgery there is a fair chance that you will eventually also have to have radiation and perhaps ADT.

For me, I think the decision was a good one. I've had zero urinary leakage and my cancer went into remission for five years. Unfortunately, it came out of remission last year and spread to my lungs, but I believe this would have eventually happened with a gleason score of 9, no matter which approach I chose.

So, my advice to you is to get a thorough review of the pros and cons of each approach as they apply to your specific situation and then make your decision.

Whatever you decide, best of luck and keep us informed.

Tom

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@tom99 hi Tom, thanks for the great advice it's might be the way I might go in . Im at age 60 .

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@ap31126
Find a place that does Brachy, Cryoablation, Tulsa Pro, Nano, and other options. There aren't just two options, you need a doctor that explains all the other options

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