What is an outcome for a bone-on-bone hip joint that gives no pain?

Posted by laughlin1947 @laughlin1947, 5 days ago

For several years it has been noted that my untreated right hip joint is bone on bone but gives me no pain. X-ray and MRI imaging reports show there is "advanced degenerative change in the hip joint". I am concerned about what the future will offer with this joint. I spoke to the head of the orthopedic department at a renown local major hospital about my condition and asking to get a hip replacement. Another orthopedic doctor called me with a great deal of concern about getting a hip replacement soon. He retired soon after that call. The department head's response was that they categorically refused to operate unless I have chronic/constant pain. Yet, I don't have any pain unless I sleep on that side, which I don't. What might happen with that joint if it never gives me pain? I expect it will continue to degrade over time. Will it put me in a wheelchair eventually? I am a 78 year old male, with a left hip replacement done in 2016. What options do I have?

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Profile picture for kfhoz @kfhoz

@laughlin1947 I am not experiencing the "Over these past few years, it seems to me that surgeons want (eagerly) to operate and not offer other treatment options." that you mention. I went to my orthopedic surgeon expecting to schedule TKR, but despite sever bone-on-bone imaging he strongly encourage me to try HA injections and told me that his uncle delayed TKR for 5 years by using them.

Various TKR surgeons with videos on YouTube (eg Talking With Docs, two Canadians) all strongly recommend alternative therapies first.

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@kfhoz I have watches several of the Canadian doctor videos and they are pretty interesting but not as specific in terms of treatment regimens as I would like. They were pretty strong in terms of recommending the HLA option for knee injections, but they were low key in terms of the emphasis in verbalizing their likes. To me, they were recommending HLA treatment as the highest recommendation, but that is where it ended - no mention of higher viscosity versions such as Durolane, no expected frequency of repeat injections, no mention of future research results. They need to open up the discussion a bit more.

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Profile picture for laughlin1947 @laughlin1947

@mackad2024 Thanks for your personal insights and experiences. I have enjoyed the Mayo Clinic blog immensely, primarily due to others who explain treatment options and their good/bad outcomes. Over these past few years, it seems to me that surgeons want (eagerly) to operate and not offer other treatment options. One personal example I have is that, in April 2025, I had arthroscopic surgery on my left knee due to sharp pain and some slightly rough cartilage. The surgeon did me no favors when he cut part of a torn meniscus that was keeping that joint from being bone on bone. Once he cut the meniscus edge off, the joint did of course become bone on bone, and it looked like I was destined for a TKR. I'm sure that was the objective the surgeon had. TKRs lead to much better paydays. I've been very reluctant to get a TKR due my age of 78years and not being a fan of PT. So, long story short, I went thru multiple epidurals and after having read articles online, I saw where hyaluronic acid injections were often successful. I tried three of those (low viscosity) and they were not successful. Then I saw where there is a version of high viscosity HLA (aka Durolane) that has been successful. I asked my knee ortho doctor why she hadn't offered that option and said it wasn't covered by Medicare. I said I didn't care, and I would pay the $450 out of pocket. Later I asked them to apply to Medicare to get it paid by the program and that effort was successful. I later went on to ask her if she knew about HLA oral capsules (a note from the Mayo Clinic patient blog) and she said she never heard of them. Not a believer! Well, that was several months ago and I'm still doing well with my knee pain. My difficulty is with walking with arthritic knees that ache a bit (I'm a tin man like you), so I'm relearning the finer points of easy walking (doing one hour each AM). I've also become a real fan of radio frequency ablation that is working well after 2 months, and I'm hopeful it will be as long as 6 months of relief.

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@laughlin1947

We have to study and research on our own and consider options. I have a friend right now who had knee replacement about a year ago and the ortho did not do something on the back of her patella, kneecap. She has told me the details, but they are pretty complicated to understand something about millimeters. Anyway, she’s been to three different Orthos getting other opinions because she can barely walk on that leg because the kneecap is hurting so badly. She’s back in a Velcro brace and now she has to consider some kind of additional surgery about that patella. Resurface? Right now she’s trying to figure out if the surgery to resurface her patella would leave her worse off than she is now.

The third opinion ortho told her it’s a 50-50 chance she could be worse or she could be better. Bad odds. As you can understand, she is very sad. She loves to dance and is very active, but this has put the skids to her enjoyment.

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I wonder why the original surgeon did not resurface the patella? It is a standard part of a TKR and my surgeon did it first thing and then tucked it away while he did the rest of the procedure.

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I did a lot of reading and research over the past few years on hip replacement surgery, saw three different surgeons as well, and waited until the discomfort and pain from my left hip was interfering too much with my life (particularly my sleep) before finally going ahead with the left hip replacement surgery four months ago.

My own opinion is that, regardless of whether you are bone-on-bone, if you're still functioning fine (with little to no pain) and it's not interfering to any significant degree with your quality of life, then I certainly would not go through with the surgery at this time. Despite the overall improvements in joint replacement surgery and the overall patient satisfaction with the results, it is still major surgery and serious problems/issues can arise: e.g., infection, dislocation, nerve damage, constant pain. etc. If are having little to no pain and you're not debilitated to any degree, it seems unwise to me to take the risk of surgery.

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I wonder why the original surgeon did not resurface the patella? It is a standard part of a TKR and my surgeon did it first thing and then tucked it away while he did the rest of the procedure.

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@steveinarizona Steve, looks like you were commenting here on someone who has gotten a TKR. My problem is with a hip that I picture is deteriorating, unless I have really high density bones.

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I did a lot of reading and research over the past few years on hip replacement surgery, saw three different surgeons as well, and waited until the discomfort and pain from my left hip was interfering too much with my life (particularly my sleep) before finally going ahead with the left hip replacement surgery four months ago.

My own opinion is that, regardless of whether you are bone-on-bone, if you're still functioning fine (with little to no pain) and it's not interfering to any significant degree with your quality of life, then I certainly would not go through with the surgery at this time. Despite the overall improvements in joint replacement surgery and the overall patient satisfaction with the results, it is still major surgery and serious problems/issues can arise: e.g., infection, dislocation, nerve damage, constant pain. etc. If are having little to no pain and you're not debilitated to any degree, it seems unwise to me to take the risk of surgery.

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@elliott1953 Yes, I agree with you to leave well enough alone until the time comes when my hip pain hits a serious level.

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@steveinarizona Steve, looks like you were commenting here on someone who has gotten a TKR. My problem is with a hip that I picture is deteriorating, unless I have really high density bones.

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@laughlin1947 yes. @mackad2024 several posts above.

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Profile picture for steveinarizona @steveinarizona

I wonder why the original surgeon did not resurface the patella? It is a standard part of a TKR and my surgeon did it first thing and then tucked it away while he did the rest of the procedure.

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@steveinarizona

Steve, I may have mistakenly posted this on THR. And I don’t know why my friend’s ortho did not resurface. That’s one of the reasons I try to avoid surgery.

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