Are we overdosing Reclast???

Posted by awfultruth @awfultruth, Sep 9, 2024

Note: I have posted this elsewhere in comments but I don't think it was widely seen so I'm posting this here as it's own discussion.

Now to the point, YES, I think Reclast is being overdosed and that the the large dose given once a year is probably responsible for a lot of the bad side effects some people experience.
There is strong evidence in studies that lower dosages and altered infusion schedules produce very similar results and in one case superior results to the standard 5 mg dose of Reclast.
It becomes clear from studying the papers below that the motivating factors behind the 5mg yearly dose is convenience, patient compliance, money and they claim the greater good for the most people. They do not consider intelligent individualized medicine. Nor do any of these papers report anything other than temporary discomfort as a side effect. None of them seriously consider that a lower dose might be safer.

Before I list the papers supporting my argument that lower doses could be effectively and safely used I want to mention that maybe severe long term side effects are rare events and don't merit this attention. The short term flu like etc reactions are acknowledged but long term life changing side effects don't seem to be well reported for Reclast. I do not know how often or in what percentage of Reclast users these occur. Some reports could be coincidence and not due to Reclast at all. I do not know how to determine how real the threat of long term serious consequences is. So, for the purposes of this post I'm considering the serious long lasting adverse side effects of standard dosing of Reclast to be real, of unknown frequency and something to consider and try to avoid.

Here are three papers showing lower doses work just as well.

The first one compares 3 different doses and shows that 1mg does well, 2.5mg does best and 5mg does ALMOST as well as 2.5 mg. All three were one dose with result at one year.
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/1/286/2833555...
The second one alters dosing schedules depending on dosage. Combined with the paper above this is great information. They used dosages as small as 0.25mg quarterly with the same result as the large annual dose. It's behind a paywall but you can get a free account and get three free articles a month.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa011807...
The third one compares 2mg to 4mg and concludes that we should stick with 4mg. BUT, if you dig into the details you see that there is reason to rethink their conclusion. Yes there is a tiny advantage to 4mg in the spine BUT there is a tiny advantage to the femur neck and total hip for the 2mg. Hardly what would make me call the 4mg superior and certainly not a significant difference. The difference in the spine is between 2mg gains 4.86% and 4mg gains 5.35%. So a gain of about 5% with either dose. As I said it flips the other way with the hips but they do not consider that even though their study shows it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8420937/
What also needs to be considered is how often we are dosing Reclast and how the annual dose for osteoporosis may be too frequent and may be putting people at unnecessary risk of long term side effects.
I wanted to list a fourth paper showing that Reclast doesn't usually need to be given annually. That it often lasts as an effective dose for 18-24 months. I'm almost certain I saw a paper on this but I cannot find it now. What would be best IMO is to monitor CTX and only give another infusion when the CTX reaches a level indicating bone turnover is speeding up too much.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Osteoporosis & Bone Health Support Group.

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@mayblin I read your reply with great interest because you are the only person, besides my endocrinologist, who mentioned the 280ng/L CTX reading as the key number in evaluating the need for another Reclast infusion. You also mentioned another analysis used 212.

I recently saw my endocrinologist who looked at my CTX scores (baseline plus 2 additional readings) and saw my most recent CTX was 283. She said that she recommended another Reclast infusion now. Had I taken her advice, I would be doing one now, but I'd prefer to wait a full year since my original and first Reclast infusion in October 2025. I'd like another Dexa scan before deciding about when to do the next infusion, but that will depend on Medicare coverage since it's not been 2 years since my last one.

When I asked her about referring to 280 as a significant threshold, she said it was used in Europe. With your more specific reference to ECTS I could find out more about this group which describes itself this way:
The European Calcified Tissue Society (ECTS) is the major organisation in Europe for researchers and clinicians working in the musculoskeletal field.
https://ectsoc.org/about-ects/
If you can provide a reference to the ECTS referral to the 280, I'd really appreciate it. But if you can't do that, no worries. In looking for that, however, I did find
"A position statement by ECTS on Discontinuation of Denosumab therapy for osteoporosis – by Carola Zillikens."
While no mention of that 280 is in this statement, this comment caught my attention even if the number of women was incredibly small:
"A recent very small study of six women with postmenopausal osteoporosis who had been treated with denosumab for 7 years showed that a single infusion of zoledronic acid was not able to prevent BMD loss at the femur. Studies to investigate the optimal timing of starting i.v. bisphosphonates as well as on the duration of this post-treatment period are clearly needed."
https://ectsoc.org/a-position-statement-by-ects-on-discontinuation-of-denosumab-therapy-for-osteoporosis-by-carola-zillikens/
Thank you for providing this information!

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@prarysky
Here is the link for ECTS position statement: Fracture Risk and Management of Discontinuation of Denosumab Therapy:
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/106/1/264/5939974
It’s interesting 280ng/L (or pg/ml) corresponds to "premenopausal mean”

Grassi’s further analysis https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11403318/

suggests 212 ng/L as the more stringent target to actually achieve BMD stability - it did point out that it is difficult to reach.

Please bear in mind we were discussing those CTX thresholds in the context of Prolia cessation, and these numbers may not be applicable in the setting of treating osteoporosis with Reclast.

Are you using Reclast for OP treatment?

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@gravity3

You have a very open minded endo. I've decided to stop all Rx osteo therapies after my 2 years on Forteo because my endo refuses to modify the dosage or time frame of RECLAST infusion. I'm risking the loss of the meager benefits of Forteo because of the rigid protocols for Reclast.
For now, I'm going all out on Functional Medicine, which is very costly but with the intention of getting to the root cause of osteoporosis and a few other health issues. I am going into this with eyes wide open and after thoroughly studying everything I've learned from this blog and other sources. I plan to get a DEXA in a year to track what's happened.

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@kar50 Did you consider taking Alendronate as a follow-up?

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@prarysky
Here is the link for ECTS position statement: Fracture Risk and Management of Discontinuation of Denosumab Therapy:
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/106/1/264/5939974
It’s interesting 280ng/L (or pg/ml) corresponds to "premenopausal mean”

Grassi’s further analysis https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11403318/

suggests 212 ng/L as the more stringent target to actually achieve BMD stability - it did point out that it is difficult to reach.

Please bear in mind we were discussing those CTX thresholds in the context of Prolia cessation, and these numbers may not be applicable in the setting of treating osteoporosis with Reclast.

Are you using Reclast for OP treatment?

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@mayblin Thanks for finding these references!

I'm using Zometa (the 4 mg dose instead of the usual 5 mg Reclast dose/infusion) which was prescribed by my oncologist. Following my breast cancer diagnosis in the fall of 2024, I started on an aromatase inhibitor, letrozole, in July 2025. Because 1) that drug can lead to serious bone loss, 2) my FRAX score was relatively high although my 2025 Dexa given before I started letrozole showed osteopenia and not osteoporosis, and 3) my age of 75, my oncologist recommended I start osteoporosis medication. I could not take oral bisphosphonates, didn't want Prolia, and my estrogen-positive breast cancer ruled out anabolic meds. Hence...the Zometa.

The Zometa did what it was supposed to do in reducing my relatively high CTX at baseline but it has gradually crept back up above that 280 threshold. I, however, look at how much the CTX came down from baseline. Yes, it is going back up but I'm not sure how quickly. My endocrinologist won't order another CTX because she think it's pointless. I disagree and may order labs on my own. I'd rush out and do this except I'm a tough needle stick. The last time Quest Labs tried to draw blood, they couldn't. I usually rely on my port but that means labs only ordered by my oncologist or other doctors at the same medical center.

My endocrinologist did order another Dexa and it will be a little more than a year since the 2025 one. Unfortunately, everything I've heard that Medicare probably won't pay for the Dexa this time since it's under the 2 year interval. I know others on this site say they have been approved for Dexas sooner than every 2 years, but their diagnostic codes may be different than mine.

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@kar50 Did you consider taking Alendronate as a follow-up?

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@wilweten
Hi,
As I understand it, Alendronate is the same as Forteo, which I injected daily for 23 months. The concern is which bisphosphonate to take to lock in the gains, and none of the alternatives are reasonable for me at this time.

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@wilweten
Hi,
As I understand it, Alendronate is the same as Forteo, which I injected daily for 23 months. The concern is which bisphosphonate to take to lock in the gains, and none of the alternatives are reasonable for me at this time.

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@kar50 I'm sorry. Forteo is teriparatide, a bone building medicine en Alendronate is a bisphosphonate, a bone saving medicine that comes in a pill or a drink to take once a week.
I'm more or less in the same boat. I take Tymlos and for me it's the question what to take after my course to keep the gains of Tymlos as much as possible. I have still almost 15 months to go and I do hope that then there will be a better alternative than there's now at the market (yes, I do hope so and at the same time don't expect so).

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@kar50 Did you consider taking Alendronate as a follow-up?

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@wilweten

I had already had 5 years of alendronate. Three years first op drug, then 2 years after 2 years of forteo.

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I received the half dose of 2.5mg in December of 2025 and had a severe inflammatory reaction. In my case lowering the dose did not reduce my sensitivity to this medication.

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I received the half dose of 2.5mg in December of 2025 and had a severe inflammatory reaction. In my case lowering the dose did not reduce my sensitivity to this medication.

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@aberg

Curious ....did you do the full prep as well as a longer infusion along with added saline?

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I received the half dose of 2.5mg in December of 2025 and had a severe inflammatory reaction. In my case lowering the dose did not reduce my sensitivity to this medication.

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@aberg My reaction would be thank goodness I didn't take the full dose. Think how much worse this could have been

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@mayblin Thanks for finding these references!

I'm using Zometa (the 4 mg dose instead of the usual 5 mg Reclast dose/infusion) which was prescribed by my oncologist. Following my breast cancer diagnosis in the fall of 2024, I started on an aromatase inhibitor, letrozole, in July 2025. Because 1) that drug can lead to serious bone loss, 2) my FRAX score was relatively high although my 2025 Dexa given before I started letrozole showed osteopenia and not osteoporosis, and 3) my age of 75, my oncologist recommended I start osteoporosis medication. I could not take oral bisphosphonates, didn't want Prolia, and my estrogen-positive breast cancer ruled out anabolic meds. Hence...the Zometa.

The Zometa did what it was supposed to do in reducing my relatively high CTX at baseline but it has gradually crept back up above that 280 threshold. I, however, look at how much the CTX came down from baseline. Yes, it is going back up but I'm not sure how quickly. My endocrinologist won't order another CTX because she think it's pointless. I disagree and may order labs on my own. I'd rush out and do this except I'm a tough needle stick. The last time Quest Labs tried to draw blood, they couldn't. I usually rely on my port but that means labs only ordered by my oncologist or other doctors at the same medical center.

My endocrinologist did order another Dexa and it will be a little more than a year since the 2025 one. Unfortunately, everything I've heard that Medicare probably won't pay for the Dexa this time since it's under the 2 year interval. I know others on this site say they have been approved for Dexas sooner than every 2 years, but their diagnostic codes may be different than mine.

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@prarysky, i see. It sounds like your doctors are using Zometa to manage your aromatase inhibitor–associated bone loss (AIBL). From what I've read, the most commonly studied approach is 4 mg every 6mo; 5 mg once a year is also used as an osteoporosis-dose approach in some guidelines, with DXA checks every 1–2yrs and reassessment.

I think using CTX to individualize the timing of the next dose is a thoughtful approach, since a single zolendronate infusion can keep bone resorption suppressed for many months, and sometimes considerably longer, based on studies.

Since you're dealing with AIBL rather than Prolia discontinuation, the CTX uptick here reflects a combination of the zoledronate gradually wearing off and letrozole continuing to push resorption upward - a different situation from the marked rebound that can occur after stopping Prolia. So it makes sense that your endo is using CTX as one piece of information to individualize when another Zometa dose might be needed.

I really hope you can get labs ordered that work with your port - that would make everything so much easier. I know how much more assured you’d feel just knowing where the CTX stands. Ugh, being a patient is already hard enough without these extra barriers. You’re dealing with a lot all at once 🫂

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