Is ADT causing anemia?

Posted by waynerl @waynerl, Aug 14 6:37pm

I have been on ADT therapy using Abiraterone and Prednisone for one year, my PSA is 0.1, but my red blood cell count is in the low range. I don't know how accurate PSA readings are concerning my cancer. The prostate cancer I had 15 years that was successfully treated with radiation came back a year ago and metastasized to my right lung. My oncologist says I have to stay on my ADT meds until I die from something else. But I am so tired all the time and struggle to breathe, due to anemia. ~Wayne L.

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@stragale The on ADT until you die is often the case because most prostate cancer patients are elderly and die of something else. I took it as an indication that the disease was metastatic, so no 4 to 24 month and then done. In your case if the drugs stop working the usual switch is to a 2nd generation lutamide (Nubeqa, Erleada, or Xtandi). They will usually work when Abiraterone stops. Also 24 months to castrate resistant is old. Most patients go many years more now with the new lutamides. After that there are the other treatments mentioned.

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@jim18 Yes, it is metastatic and I am 79 years old so will likely just die in the next few years of something or other, maybe just old age. Lol

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@stragale I thought I had already answered this but I don't see my reply, so I'll try again. I have had a full blood workup done. Here are some of the results: PSA 0.1, WBC 7.99, RBC 4.37, HGB 13.8, HCT 40.9%, MCV 93.6., etc. My oncologists, although serving at the VA Hospital in Seattle, are actually from the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. I think my complaints about weakness and fatigue are mostly due to the effects of ADT and loss of testosterone. Maybe my claim re anemia is overstated, but I started taking slow release iron pills and B12 vitamins.
~Wayne

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@waynerl Thanks for sharing your results. The reference "normal" ranges vary from lab to lab. The two labs that I have been using have the following ranges for RBC: 3.5-5.5 and 4.4-5.6. For Hb they are: 12.6-16.5 and 13.0-17.0. For Hct, they are 39.5-50% and 41-54%. Based on either of these reference ranges, it appears that your numbers are in the normal range, so perhaps your fatigue/anemia is due to something else.

My own latest numbers as of yesterday are: RBC, 3.33; Hb, 10.6; and Hct: 33.5. They have come up a bit from a month ago for no apparent reason, except for the possibility that it's from having done several acupuncture appointments. The improvements are consistent with one paper (not sure of its quality) showing benefits.

I was taking an iron supplement (GNC 65 mg) every other day. I stopped when further testing showed that i had high ferritin, transferrin, iron binding capacity and total iron. I do still take B12 as I'm doing a mostly vegan diet at this point. My B12 levels and folate are normal

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Did they say why. There might be an excellent reason.
Were you offered any other remediation.

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@gently Perhaps they didn't because his RBCs, Hb, Hct were in the normal range.

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@stragale Stagale, I hope that you have success in resolving your blood count issues.

I too have low hemoglobin, not as severe as you have, but troublesome to me. Your problem appears to be loss of red blood cells after they have been created. My problem is that the production of red blood cell is not sufficient to maintain hemoglobin above anemia levels.

In the first 2 years of ADT my hemoglobin dropped from 13.5 to an average of 12.6, which I find from research is the normal effect of ADT. It then proceeded on down to 11.2. I brought this to the attention of my oncologist and he referred ma to a hematologist on the staff of the provider group. A test indicated that the kidneys were not producing sufficient Erythropoietin to stimulate the bone marrow to make an adequate number of red blood cells. I attribute the damage to the kidneys to the ADT treatment, although I found there is little information on this in the literature.

The plan of the hematologist is to monitor the hemoglobin levels and when if falls below 10, and I am symptomatic for anemia, to use erythropoiesis-stimulating agents (ESAs) to raise the hemoglobin level modestly. The hematologist warned the ESAs can cause blood clots and other cardiac events. The FDA black box for an EAS drug has this at the beginning;

WARNING: ESAs INCREASE THE RISK OF DEATH,
MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION, STROKE, VENOUS
THROMBOEMBOLISM, THROMBOSIS OF VASCULAR ACCESS
AND TUMOR PROGRESSION OR RECURRENCE

Not a very good indication.

Recently I saw some articles that mentioned that patients with chronic kidney disease and or diabetics have modest increases in hemoglobin from the use of Sodium-Glucose Transport 2 (SGLT2) Inhibitors. The increase is about 0.7 g/dL, admittedly small but any gain in my book is good. I showed the articles to the oncologist, he asked if I was willing to take the medication, and when I said yes he refereed me to the endocrinologist on the staff of the group. The endocrinologist said he never prescribed the medication for the purpose of raising the hemoglobin, but if I was willing to try it, he would prescribe it.. Now I am in my first week of taking Dapagliflozin (Farxiga®) 5 mg tablets. I won't know the results for at least a month and perhaps 4 months.

Since the SGLT2 Inhibitors require prior approval by my insurance plan I may not be reimbursed for the cost of this medication. Since I am outside of the United States the cost per month is about $30, whereas in the United States the cost would be several hundred dollars per month.

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@overage I see that you mentioned decreasing kidney function. I just had a blood draw today at the VA and saw the number 73 for the EGFR 2021 code. I read it should be above 90, if I'm reading the results correctly. Your thoughts or anyone else who is reading this, please. Thank you. ~Waynerl

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@overage I see that you mentioned decreasing kidney function. I just had a blood draw today at the VA and saw the number 73 for the EGFR 2021 code. I read it should be above 90, if I'm reading the results correctly. Your thoughts or anyone else who is reading this, please. Thank you. ~Waynerl

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@waynerl @waynerl, According to WebMD, a eGFR of 73 is about normal for a person of 70 to perhaps 80. GFR increases with age. Here is what is says about a GFR of 89 to 60:; “GFR 89 to 60. Your kidney function loss is mild, with your kidneys still working well.” Here is the link to the article: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/glomerular-filtration-rate

I am 92 with a GFR of 55 to 60 which a nephrologist and a geriatric doctor that I consulted recently consider normal for my age.

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@waynerl @waynerl, According to WebMD, a eGFR of 73 is about normal for a person of 70 to perhaps 80. GFR increases with age. Here is what is says about a GFR of 89 to 60:; “GFR 89 to 60. Your kidney function loss is mild, with your kidneys still working well.” Here is the link to the article: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/glomerular-filtration-rate

I am 92 with a GFR of 55 to 60 which a nephrologist and a geriatric doctor that I consulted recently consider normal for my age.

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@overage Thank you. After further research I discovered the number was age based.

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