Transperineal biopsy under local; positioning, experience

Posted by scooterphilly @scooterphilly, Jul 11 7:00am

I’m scheduled for a transperineal prostate biopsy under local anesthesia. I’ve read a fair number of posts here, but I’m looking for something more specific.

What I’m trying to understand is what the actual positioning is like: how exposed you are, how long you’re in that position, whether the rectal probe insertion and the time it stays in place is uncomfortable or just strange, and how much control you have to ask for a pause if you need one. I’ve had procedures before, but something about the mechanics of this one, the vulnerability of the position combined with being awake for it, has me more preoccupied than the pain itself.

If you’ve had a TP biopsy with local anesthesia (not sedation), I’d appreciate hearing: How you’d describe the positioning itself, and how long you were in it? Whether the local anesthetic adequately covered the probe placement, or just the needle punctures? Anything you wish someone had told you beforehand about what to expect physically, separate from pain?

Trying to go in with a realistic picture rather than a worst-case one. Thanks in advance for sharing.

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It's not bad at all. You are flat on your back and your legs are strapped into stirrups (think gynecological exam), raised, and separated. There was a big man (Willy) that did all of the prep including securing the scrotom and penis out of the way and a warm blanket placed so that exposure was minimal. There was one nurse monitoring vitals but she remained up by my head. Very little to be embarrassed about despite the nature of the procedure.

It seems that the probe concerns you as well. While it can be somewhat uncomfortable, especially when the surgeon moves it around, it is not painful at all.

The surgeon will probably give you a 1,2,3 warning before each sample is taken so you won't be surprised when the spring loaded needle is fired into your prostate. They are not painful.

Pain is not really a concern. They topically numb the perineum with lidocaine, then give a couple of shots of lidocaine into the perineal area (kind of like a very mild bee sting), followed by a couple more shots of lidocaine into the prostate itself which acts as a nerve block. These are marginally briefly worse that the other shots, but are still really just a sting or pinch.

The process is over quickly. I was just as apprehensive as you and was surprised at how easy it was. Don't worry about it! Compared to what may lay ahead this is a piece of cake.

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I had two that were done at private urologist office. The first one gave you an inside on what to expect when having the second one. It was uncomfortable , but it was over quickly.

The third one done at Mayo was another story. Not sure on why it took so long, there may have been a resident who was involved. I was expecting 12 biopsy specimens, but was informed it was going to be 18. It was not a quick process and the most upsetting to me was that I was not informed if they were having technical issues or what. After it was completed, my blood pressure was very low and required additional monitoring.

Based on that last experience, I tell everyone to request sedation with anesthesia.

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I had two that were done at private urologist office. The first one gave you an inside on what to expect when having the second one. It was uncomfortable , but it was over quickly.

The third one done at Mayo was another story. Not sure on why it took so long, there may have been a resident who was involved. I was expecting 12 biopsy specimens, but was informed it was going to be 18. It was not a quick process and the most upsetting to me was that I was not informed if they were having technical issues or what. After it was completed, my blood pressure was very low and required additional monitoring.

Based on that last experience, I tell everyone to request sedation with anesthesia.

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@scbrett01
The resident needed more practice so they let him keep going.

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He can practice on you

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I am in the same situation, The PA told me I needed to get a TP biopsy. She told me it would be done under local. I asked if they give other meds like Valium to relax you. She said no - they did offer it for a brief period but some patients had some issues so they stopped. I asked about sedation and she said 90% of patients have local. I got the feeling she was pushing local for their convenience and quicker scheduling. I told them I want sedation. They must know patients have high anxiety. They should offer conscious sedation; that can be done in the office. I also think the sampling will be more accurate since I won't move under sedation. Also less for the doc to worry about. Anyway waiting for their scheduler to book OR time, good luck.

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I am in the same situation, The PA told me I needed to get a TP biopsy. She told me it would be done under local. I asked if they give other meds like Valium to relax you. She said no - they did offer it for a brief period but some patients had some issues so they stopped. I asked about sedation and she said 90% of patients have local. I got the feeling she was pushing local for their convenience and quicker scheduling. I told them I want sedation. They must know patients have high anxiety. They should offer conscious sedation; that can be done in the office. I also think the sampling will be more accurate since I won't move under sedation. Also less for the doc to worry about. Anyway waiting for their scheduler to book OR time, good luck.

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@davidhi31
Sedation can be done in the office but you still need then a nurse skilled in setting up the IV administration of it and the doctor calling the shots regarding starting and stopping administration. I think many would rather ignore all the additional work due to convenience and just do the local.

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@davidhi31
Sedation can be done in the office but you still need then a nurse skilled in setting up the IV administration of it and the doctor calling the shots regarding starting and stopping administration. I think many would rather ignore all the additional work due to convenience and just do the local.

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@wheel1 conscious sedation can be done in the office. Twilight or deeper sedation requires an anesthesiologist and is done in an OR or surgi-center,

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@wheel1 conscious sedation can be done in the office. Twilight or deeper sedation requires an anesthesiologist and is done in an OR or surgi-center,

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@davidhi31
I was referring to conscience sedation i.e. versed is still administered by IV set up within an office.

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@davidhi31
I was referring to conscience sedation i.e. versed is still administered by IV set up within an office.

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@wheel1 You're right, conscious sedation seems like it would be better than a local. From what I've read, it's not widely offered with a TP biopsy. There's a good podcast from University of Michigan about TP biopsies, sounds like they're prioritizing patient anxiety, experience, etc. (Google if you're interested in it, the site won't let me share a URL.)

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@wheel1 You're right, conscious sedation seems like it would be better than a local. From what I've read, it's not widely offered with a TP biopsy. There's a good podcast from University of Michigan about TP biopsies, sounds like they're prioritizing patient anxiety, experience, etc. (Google if you're interested in it, the site won't let me share a URL.)

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@scooterphilly

"...site won't let me share a URL."

That is because you are a new member - in couple of weeks you will be able to share links and send PMs . 😉

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I had a trans perineal biopsy at Mayo with only a local anesthetic almost a year ago. I did not feel embarrassed, awkward, etc. about the position --everyone in the room are medical professionals who are performing such procedures all of the time. You're positioned so that you really don't see what's going on, but they kept me well informed about what they were doing. The total procedure lasted less than 30 minutes. As I remember it, the most uncomfortable aspect was the initial insertion of the rectal probe. I consider myself a very reluctant person when it comes to medical procedures. I tolerated this one well enough.

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