@sweetundine it’s very painful on top of the joint pain, it gets unbearable. I’m just so depressed. I had started making wreaths about 4 years ago to help with my depression and now my hands are in so much pain I’m not able to use scissors to cut the ribbon. I guess I’m going to have to sell all my stuff and it makes me so sad, it was the one thing that I could do in my recliner because my back is so messed up and I live in so much pain from my neck down to my tailbone. I could at least be a little more comfortable in my recliner and make beautiful wreaths. It’s just me and my dog so it was nice having my wreaths to keep my mind off the bad days. 😭