@timber2026 I wanted to also add in my earlier Karla - to - Karla note, when my husband started to get angry and flair up - I told him that I was going to bash his head in, if he continued to talk to me like that. That I loved him, and wanted him calm, and not angry, as when he's angry, he hurtful and he hurts me with his words. I don't know if it was the "bashing" part or the I love you and when you are angry, you hurt me part. It's hard to know what they know, or remember, but I do remember, it did resonate with my husband. He settled down a bit. I suppose it depends what stage they are in. Best, Karla