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Eliquis and AFIB

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@chickenfarmer They have been discussed, here and on afibbers.org forum. The drug isn't without its risks, and it's almost prohibitively expensive for many. Apart from that, there is no question that they are superior to both warfarin and acetyl-salicylic acid.

Are they necessary....for life once diagnosed with an arrhythmia? I don't feel they ought to be, but it depends....as always.....on other possible risks that might be in play. Do you sit for long periods at a gaming console or surfing on your tablet? DVT is always a possibility for those of we-the-aged who tend to sit more and longer. Do you have some AF residually, some flutter, or just PACs now and then? Each of those presents a risk of thromboembolic events, and for the reason that the LAA is not being 'flushed' out regularly, in normal sinus, of its pool of blood. The scientific community seems to have settled on the 12 hour rule, but the figure changes with the address of the EP/cardiologist being questioned. Twelve hours in AF means you take a DOAC for about a month......if...............IF.................it is self-limiting and doesn't repeat in that month. If you get another bout, now the signs are you are returning to paroxysmal AF, and not just a flu shot reaction, and you should be on a DOAC again indefinitely.

That is my understanding, as inexpert as I am, about what I have read of the literature...the most recent studies. Me, this guy, I'm calling BS. The reason is that, as soon as you have your initial run of, or return to, AF, and it lasts more than a couple of minutes, already the pooled blood in your LAA is NOT BEING REPLACED. Depending on the condition of one's heart, valves, ejection fraction, and how quickly the AF beats are taking place, you may start the congealing and clotting process in the LAA inside of seconds. One size does not fit all when it comes to heart health, heart structure, other heart defects and cardiomyopathy, and other 'remodeling' from previous bouts of AF or flutter, so we can't/shouldn't assume that the 4-12 hour rule is a good fit for every patient whose heart resumes its disordered rhythm(s).

My cardiologist told me I would be on both metoprolol and Eliquis for life. I stopped metoprolol six weeks after my second ablation for AF, but I still take the apixaban because I do sit a lot at a computer, I do fly on trans-Atlantic flights, and I'm about to turn 74 with a history of some mild heart disease and arrhythmia. It's insurance for me. But, if I ever continue to sleep while my heart goes into AF, and the chances for every patient with a successful ablation of returning to AF is rather high (sorry, it's true), then the apixaban will do its job.

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@gloamingYes the pill in a pocket approach has always been appealing to me. Especially for those who can actually realize that they are AFib. But then I began to wonder if those who say they can tell when they're in aFib can tell every single time. I've never felt either of the 2 episodes I have had which were under 3 minutes each. Currently I take Eliquis for a DVT issue but can really sympathize with the aFib users. It's a real gamble especially as I mentioned for those unable to self discover the episodes. But it's probably just another life long med as many of the meds we take for our conditions

@gloaming I guess I'm in the same boat as you in regards to sitting for a fairly long period of time probably too much, as I have a "side gig" as I call it, ( retirement being my main gig) as an editor for a medical ( not physicians, but nurses, lab and other health care providers) continuing education company, and other computer activities. I do get up and move around regularly though, exercise and try to maintain a healthy life style and diet.

I also regard the Eliquis as insurance, considering the risk factors I have for stroke, and not just from A-fib or those other pesky arrhythmias that pop up uninvited. I also have a fairly strong family history of stroke, and have seen more than one relative incapacitated and dependent on others following a stroke, or two, and I don't want to live that way.

My A-fib is paroxysmal, with a less than 1% burden, and my cardiologist knows exactly when and how long these episodes last as they show up on my pacemaker reports, but he's been insistent that I remain on the Eliquis, considering that I don't feel all the A-fib episodes, they can last anywhere from a minute or two to several hours, and I never know when they will occur. He also points out those other risk factors. At this point I can't argue with him. I'll be 79 in a couple months, and have a CHADs2Vasc score of 4, with a couple other comorbidities ( that are well managed at this point- thankfully NOT diabetic) so I have to regard the Eliquis as a small price to pay to mitigate my risk for stroke.

I'm also very fortunate that having a private ( not Medicare) drug care plan I can use the manufacturer's coupon to pay for the Eliquis at $30 for a 3 month supply. And I have no side effects I know of from this medication.